S G U R D ... and what does that spell?
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S G U R D ... and what does that spell?
OK, time for some old stories.
As much as I'm a fan of Doctor House and his neato voodoo magic, there are times when it's not enough to forget that in reality, there are people who are just plain sick.
Lyrica, Effexor, Vioxx, Bextra, Celebrex, etc.
Doctor’s Pain Studies Were Fabricated, Hospital Says.
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A Medical Madoff: Anesthesiologist Faked Data in 21 Studies.
You'll surely appreciate the value of these facts, knowing how the supposedly sure and double checked results, virally spread and published in god a many respected science journals and magazines, were just a funnay big joke. You know, like HA HA HA. ¥€$!
Chill out out bro.
Now, remember the Canadian Bill C-51 & C-52. I'm certainly not Canadians, but damn, we're talking about people's lives for fuck sake. The sacrifice of blood and souls on the altar of profit is warping out reality way too much. It failled because of enough protest. You know what would have happened if people had not opened their mouths?
Ah, politicians. Too many keep bending over, too happy to get their a-holes stuffed with mucho grands.
As much as I'm a fan of Doctor House and his neato voodoo magic, there are times when it's not enough to forget that in reality, there are people who are just plain sick.
Lyrica, Effexor, Vioxx, Bextra, Celebrex, etc.
Doctor’s Pain Studies Were Fabricated, Hospital Says.
&
A Medical Madoff: Anesthesiologist Faked Data in 21 Studies.
You'll surely appreciate the value of these facts, knowing how the supposedly sure and double checked results, virally spread and published in god a many respected science journals and magazines, were just a funnay big joke. You know, like HA HA HA. ¥€$!
Chill out out bro.
Now, remember the Canadian Bill C-51 & C-52. I'm certainly not Canadians, but damn, we're talking about people's lives for fuck sake. The sacrifice of blood and souls on the altar of profit is warping out reality way too much. It failled because of enough protest. You know what would have happened if people had not opened their mouths?
Ah, politicians. Too many keep bending over, too happy to get their a-holes stuffed with mucho grands.
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What is with a president, who »disses his oath for money«PunkMaister wrote:Aside from a terrorist there is nothing worse than a doctor who disses his oath for money...
- »I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.«
What is with pirates?
What is with child molesters or rapists?
What is with mass murdering dictators?
They are in your opinion not worse than »a doctor who disses his oath for money«?
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A doctors oath if you don't know is to do no harm!
A doctor is meant to be a healer not somebody that does harm. While politicians are usually corrupt to varying degrees anyway and well dictators what else can be expected from men that they only got where they are by sheer brutality. None of the criminals you mentioned Rapists etc ever made any kind of oath so there! It is worse because he violated an oath a sacred oath to preserve life and to do no harm.
Hippocratic Oath# To teach medicine to the sons of my teacher. In the past, medical schools gave preferential consideration to the children of physicians.[citation needed]
# To practice and prescribe to the best of my ability for the good of my patients, and to try to avoid harming them. This beneficial intention is the purpose of the physician. However, this item is still invoked in the modern discussions of euthanasia.
# Never to do deliberate harm to anyone for anyone else's interest. Physician organizations in most countries have strongly denounced physician participation in legal executions. However, in a small number of cases, most notably the U.S. states of Oregon,[5] Washington,[6] Montana,[7]. and in the the Kingdom of the Netherlands,[8] a doctor can prescribe euthanasia with the patient's consent.
# To avoid violating the morals of my community. Many licensing agencies will revoke a physician's license for offending the morals of the community ("moral turpitude").
# I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art. The "stones" referred to are kidney stones or bladder stones, removal of which was judged too menial for physicians, and therefore was left for barbers (the forerunners of modern surgeons). Surgery was not recognized as a specialty at that time. This sentence is now interpreted as acknowledging that it is impossible for any single physician to maintain expertise in all areas. It also highlights the different historical origins of the surgeon and the physician.
# To keep the good of the patient as the highest priority. There may be other conflicting 'good purposes,' such as community welfare, conserving economic resources, supporting the criminal justice system, or simply making money for the physician or his employer that provide recurring challenges to physicians.
A doctor is meant to be a healer not somebody that does harm. While politicians are usually corrupt to varying degrees anyway and well dictators what else can be expected from men that they only got where they are by sheer brutality. None of the criminals you mentioned Rapists etc ever made any kind of oath so there! It is worse because he violated an oath a sacred oath to preserve life and to do no harm.
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I still do not know what Mr. Oragahn means regarding this. "S G U R D" primarily brings up either acronyms on a Google search, none of which seem particularly relevant to any of the main topics of the original post, or the user names of various people on various forums or other community sites; in other words, completely meaningless without further context.ILikeDeathNote wrote:I still don't follow what "S G U R D" spell.
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I know the Hippocratic Oath, thank you very much.PunkMaister wrote:A doctors oath if you don't know is to do no harm!
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Hippocratic Oath
A doctor is meant to be a healer not somebody that does harm. While politicians are usually corrupt to varying degrees anyway and well dictators what else can be expected from men that they only got where they are by sheer brutality.
And what you have quoted is not the Hippocratic Oath. It's not even a version of the Oath as it is used today. It is merely a overview over parts, that were modified over the years in various countries, schools, and societies as the social, religious, and political importance of medicine has changed.
I wonder if you have read, what you have quoted at all?
Anyway , that's the original Hippocratic Oath:
- I swear by Apollo, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath.
To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art.
I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.
I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.
But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.
I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.
In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.
All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.
If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot.
- I swear by Apollo, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath.
And because they have not made an oath, in which they have promised to do not the crimes, they have done, their crimes are less evil?PunkMaister wrote:None of the criminals you mentioned Rapists etc ever made any kind of oath so there! It is worse because he violated an oath a sacred oath to preserve life and to do no harm.
That seems to mean, that you think, that not the result of the deed is relevant but only the fact, that an oath is broken.
But that would mean, that a doctor, who has broken his Hippocratic Oath, but has not done any harm (e.g. he has refused to heal a patient because the treatment would be expensive and the patient can not afford it, but in the end, the patient was healed by another doctor) is worse than a terrorist, a pirate, a child molester, a rapist or a mass murdering dictator.
That anyway would be the logical conclusion from what you have said:
- »Aside from a terrorist there is nothing worse than a doctor who disses his oath for money...«
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My problem with the supposed oath is that it's drilled into kid's heads these days that it means death must be preveted at all costs if possible. Sometimes, it's better to not live a long life with a bad condition. Life is forced on people that try to kill themselves because thoughts of killing yourself are automatically seen as a psychological problem and means you're crazy. You can only be mentally healthy if you want to live.
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It assumes we can trust the FDA. If the FDA really gave a shit, they'd have double checked the tests. Even half of them, at least.Mike DiCenso wrote:That does not mean that someone cannot slip something by them. In this case a respected doctor pulled it off so that he could make some big money for the drug companies.
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Hell, even just one.
The fact that ONE person can supposedly fool the whole system speaks very poorly of this system's standards of scrutiny, and that it's composed by people who are either incompetents at best, or would sell their mothers for coins at worst.
We are speaking of 21 different studies, from one single source, all faked.
You know what? Just go type "Big pharma" and "scandal" into a SE, you'll see and understand how the whole industry needs a massive and unconditional reboot.
Ethics have been sold a while ago.
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Correct me If Am wrong but you re now talking about assisted suicide, the right for someone terminally Ill to end his or her life and that is totally off topic from the subject at hand.GStone wrote:My problem with the supposed oath is that it's drilled into kid's heads these days that it means death must be preveted at all costs if possible. Sometimes, it's better to not live a long life with a bad condition. Life is forced on people that try to kill themselves because thoughts of killing yourself are automatically seen as a psychological problem and means you're crazy. You can only be mentally healthy if you want to live.
And Arbour yes when a doctor makes the oath he is expected to follow it even more than even a politician because lives truly directly depend on how he/she conducts himself. If a doctor disses his or her oath for profits placing God only knows how many people's lives at risk yes that makes him or her just as bad a terrorist who blows himself up killing hundreds, thousands or even millions instantly in the process. In fact when it comes to something like this the only difference is that the terrorist method is far quicker. But the end results are the same lots of people hurt and dead.
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Not the assited ones. That is a different story than the solo acts. The assisted ones can have people come back and say 'hey, maybe they changed their minds since you pulled the trigger'. I'm just talking about the solo ones. Many docs these days say 'it' my job to keep them alive at all cost'. The guy obviously said nuts to that. But, even if you said they were overly depressed or something, if they do it again, it's treated the exact same way. 'Err on the side of life'. No amount of suicide watch is gonna stop them and yet, many of the docs today have the balls to say 'fuck what you think, I'm gonna keep you alive, whether you like it or not. You didn't ign the DNR.' And some don't even care about that.
If I'm gonna take the time to plan a suicide, I don't want some stranger coming in and saying 'look how good and great and wonderful I am. I just saved his life, even though he doesn't give a shit about me or my ego driven desire to his body working; all he wants is to die, but I can't stand that'.
If I'm gonna take the time to plan a suicide, I don't want some stranger coming in and saying 'look how good and great and wonderful I am. I just saved his life, even though he doesn't give a shit about me or my ego driven desire to his body working; all he wants is to die, but I can't stand that'.