Usin Warp drive in System! What is the danger really?

PunkMaister · Post by **PunkMaister** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:26 pm

OK here's a cooker! We have heard many times that apparently is dangerous to go to warp inside a Solar system but no one has ever answered why. And in a lot of instances we have seen ships going to Warp drive within a Solar system and not wait until they reach the edge of such a system to go to warp, we know that Warp is quite maneuverable so collisions are basically out of the question, we have seen ships go to warp near stars and so on so is not an issue of gravity, radiation or anything like that!

Whoever wrote this peril never made claar what the peril really was is basically a phantom peril for all intended purposes!

But anyhow given that we can exclude all of the above does anyone have a suggestion as to what this peril might be?

ILikeDeathNote · Post by **ILikeDeathNote** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:55 am

What I want to know, if its so dangerous to use warp drive in-system, is how does it take less than two decades to get from planet to planet within the system?

Plus, Archer, in the very first episode of Enterprise, in one of the very first scenes comments that it will take less than 5 minutes to travel from spacedock in Earth orbit to Pluto, specifically thanks to the "Warp 5" (what we later learn is really a Warp 4.5) engine.

So yeah, real dangerous isn't it?

Airlocke_Jedi_Knight · Post by **Airlocke_Jedi_Knight** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:16 am

ILikeDeathNote wrote:
So yeah, real dangerous isn't it?

Apparently, yeah, it is.

Maybe it has something to do with radiation produced by the warp drive affecting the planets in the system? That obviously wouldn't be a big deal in our solar system, but it might be in a system with multiple planets with sustainable life.

PunkMaister · Post by **PunkMaister** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:20 am

Airlocke_Jedi_Knight wrote:
ILikeDeathNote wrote:
So yeah, real dangerous isn't it?
Apparently, yeah, it is.

Maybe it has something to do with radiation produced by the warp drive affecting the planets in the system? That obviously wouldn't be a big deal in our solar system, but it might be in a system with multiple planets with sustainable life.

That makes no sense whatsoever whatever radiation could be produced as a result would be deflected absorbed by the planet's Van Allen radiation belts...

Any planet not having a similar belt and a strong magnetic field would be cooked by it's own sun anyhow...

Flectarn · Post by **Flectarn** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:24 am

Really i think the important thing is, they've mentioned it being dangerous something like twice. compared to them blithely doing it in like, half the episodes.

we can rationalize the statements as there being something, that makes it dangerous in those particular scenes, which doesn't generally apply.

PunkMaister · Post by **PunkMaister** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:58 am

Flectarn wrote:Really i think the important thing is, they've mentioned it being dangerous something like twice. compared to them blithely doing it in like, half the episodes.

we can rationalize the statements as there being something, that makes it dangerous in those particular scenes, which doesn't generally apply.

That's not really an answer though...

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:30 am

Airlocke_Jedi_Knight wrote:
ILikeDeathNote wrote:
So yeah, real dangerous isn't it?
Apparently, yeah, it is.

Maybe it has something to do with radiation produced by the warp drive affecting the planets in the system? That obviously wouldn't be a big deal in our solar system, but it might be in a system with multiple planets with sustainable life.

That makes no sense since there are multiple instances of warping in and out systems, including the Sol system with multiple inhabited planets (Mars is long colonized and independant by TOS).
-Mike

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:40 am

ILikeDeathNote wrote:What I want to know, if its so dangerous to use warp drive in-system, is how does it take less than two decades to get from planet to planet within the system?

Plus, Archer, in the very first episode of Enterprise, in one of the very first scenes comments that it will take less than 5 minutes to travel from spacedock in Earth orbit to Pluto, specifically thanks to the "Warp 5" (what we later learn is really a Warp 4.5) engine.

So yeah, real dangerous isn't it?

Not even so much that as the NX-01 warps out of from near Earth on it's journey to Qo'nos in the same episode.
-Mike

Flectarn · Post by **Flectarn** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:15 am

PunkMaister wrote:
Flectarn wrote:Really i think the important thing is, they've mentioned it being dangerous something like twice. compared to them blithely doing it in like, half the episodes.

we can rationalize the statements as there being something, that makes it dangerous in those particular scenes, which doesn't generally apply.
That's not really an answer though...

why not. Star Trek has 704 episodes and 10 movies. their are a lot of inconsistencies, which are generally either ignored in favor of vast majorities, or rationalized someway. It's just the way it has to be.

ILikeDeathNote · Post by **ILikeDeathNote** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:21 am

PunkMaister wrote:
That makes no sense whatsoever whatever radiation could be produced as a result would be deflected absorbed by the planet's Van Allen radiation belts...

Not to mention that even a densely packed solar system will still have a lot of space in between planets, and if radiation from the warp engines is that much of a problem, then every warp-capable ship damn well better be unmanned.

Post by **Jedi Master Spock** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:40 am

ILikeDeathNote wrote:What I want to know, if its so dangerous to use warp drive in-system, is how does it take less than two decades to get from planet to planet within the system?

Plus, Archer, in the very first episode of Enterprise, in one of the very first scenes comments that it will take less than 5 minutes to travel from spacedock in Earth orbit to Pluto, specifically thanks to the "Warp 5" (what we later learn is really a Warp 4.5) engine.

So yeah, real dangerous isn't it?

I thought it was Neptune they were talking about, and six minutes.

The thing that occurs to me is that the navigational deflector really has to work overtime in-system. We know it's one of the most powerful systems on the ship, and there's a lot more debris and dust in-system. Also, there is the chance of hitting something larger.

I really think it's one of those "not as advisable or as fast" situations, but there is definitely inconsistency on the topic.

PunkMaister · Post by **PunkMaister** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:36 am

Jedi Master Spock wrote:I thought it was Neptune they were talking about, and six minutes.

The thing that occurs to me is that the navigational deflector really has to work overtime in-system. We know it's one of the most powerful systems on the ship, and there's a lot more debris and dust in-system. Also, there is the chance of hitting something larger.

I really think it's one of those "not as advisable or as fast" situations, but there is definitely inconsistency on the topic.

Inconsistency is an understatement in this situation...

watchdog · Post by **watchdog** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:20 am

I can only remember one instance where anyone was concerned with going to warp in a system, but I dont remember which episode of DS9 it was. I always figured the concern was about possible collisions with planets, stars or other ships, seeing as how the episode I'm remembering had the Defiant having to warp in close to the Bajoran sun in order to capture a shuttle or a runabout that was on some sort of suicide mission to blow up the sun or something with I dont know how many other ships all around.
It's the same reason I came up with whenever the question of why the Klingons were not warp straifing DS9 during their attack, a whole bunch of ships all warping around in many different tight formations near a planet is just begging for a collision.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:17 pm

Jedi Master Spock wrote: I thought it was Neptune they were talking about, and six minutes.

That's correct.
-Mike

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:53 pm

watchdog wrote:I can only remember one instance where anyone was concerned with going to warp in a system, but I dont remember which episode of DS9 it was.

The episode was called "By Inferno's Light".
-Mike

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