Do you see a problem? The faith healing statistics covered a 20 year span and only had 172 deaths (that was reported to this study) while modern medicine had 600,000 deaths approx. in 3 years.
This man doesn't understand the principle of percentages I'm afraid.
So if changes were made to some practices of modern medicine, 120,000 people could possibly still be alive today. yet no one is demanding that the modern doctors and nurses be sent to prison for murder like they do for those involved in faith healing.
As you pointed out, science is constantly evolving, sometimes in wrong directions, but evolving nonetheless.
Faith healing, on ther other hand, has little chance to improve unless some stash of arcane scrolls is unsealed and the new prayers prove to be 500% more efficient (you can picture the ad).
But considering the tone of your contradictor, it's rather clear that there won't be any evolution on his side.
Everything you have mentioned is basically answered in my posts. The deception in you blinds you to the points being made. One point you raised– 98.4% were not harmed– how do you know that they were not harmed? The reports I used focused only on deaths, not other injuries suffered by patients to the hands of medical professionals
That is, however, a fair point. Not dying wouldn't automatically imply complete recovery.
Faith healing is’t denying life saving medicine to anyone there is no guarantee that modern medicine would heal those people. Medical science is not God yet you treat it like it was. It has no control over who lives or dies.
Thereare lots of strawmen arguments coming from this TA fella.
And by definition, control not being absolute, medical science does enjoy some control over the lives of people simply because they can be saved from death.
I love it when you say the doctor made an ‘honest but tragic mistake’ when a patient dies yet do not pass that courtesy on to parents who use faith healing. Your words continue to prove me correct
That's another fair point, since their point of view is one based on a honest belief.
Then, it comes down to who scores the less 'honest but tragic mistakes'; in which case, he'd probably lose again.
#2. Percentages mean nothing
Idiocy redefined.
#3. Studying bones does not discover mitigating factors, which I have already mentioned, Your point also assumes that the parents of those 172 people could actually afford treatment. I already know what ideas anthropologists say about dead bodies but that doesn’t make their analysis correct.
That is an amusing point in fact. If one cannot afford a treatment alloting a +98% of survival, it would come to logic to use the lesser method that offers a chance of survival out of five.
But you can also ask if we don't find such similar numbers amongst tragically ill patients who sort of "miraculously" recovered without any intervention, medical or religious.
If the numbers were to be similar, one could honestly ask if those supposedly faith-induced recoveries had anything to do with faith at all.
#4.I am tired of people who say I do not understand something then proceed to tell me what I already know and have analyzed. The weaknesses of both undermine your argument as you assume those two concepts are perfect and produce the exact reason something took place in history.
Well, since he said percentages mean nothing...
They're not perfect either and it's always a good thing to know how they were fabricated, yet they still do hold a noticeable analytical value.
This is a point D misses or ignores on purpose. Parents are instructed to follow God’ leading not D’s or other parents’. D continued to use the words ‘unproven and unverified’ when referring to faith healing. He does so even though we told him that faith healing has gone on for over 5,000 years and has been proven effective and it is verifiable. Jesus sent some he healed to the priests to show them what took place; being given healing miracles have gone to doctors to show them what God did.
Full throttle!
That jeebus figure has been cobbled some seventeen centuries ago for the sake of establishing a new imperial religion. No such miracle happened by the hand of this mythical figure and can hardly be verified, since the textual reference needs to be taken at face value!
This guy is so dishonest. God wouldn't like that. One time, things can be proven and verified (read measured objectively by any qualified doctor), the next paragraph nothing can.
Oh, btw, Jeebus wasn't just a mere mortal, so taking his achievements as proof of something any mortal could complete is not going to fly. For one, I'm pretty sure no human will bleed water if stabbed by a lance in the flank. Now to say that being full of water was more valuable than being full of hot air... or something else.
Now we will allow D to make comments in reply to this post. If his comments are honest, logical, as well as a few other positive characteristics we will make an exception to our refusal to publish his comments. He has the right to defend his position and respond to what we just wrote.
So sayeth the Inquisition. Or any other comical tribunal as a matter of fact.
we are not going to respond to the above comment. Our silence is not an indication that D is right but that it does no good to continue to talk to an unbeliever who will not believe no matter what you say.
Priceless.
Ain't asking for miracles but verifiable facts. Ultimately it does not matter if God intervenes by moving the atoms himself and rearranging stuff or something else, since in the end the result would be a cured human, which science can analyze fairly well and more than objectively.
P.S. just because children are involved does not mean that God’s rules change, that God’s directions change or that people are given authority to meddle in other parent’s business. Children are not an excuse to force your ways upon others nor interfere with their parental rights and authority. Unless the parents are doing something illegal, disagreeing with them is not justification to meddle in other people’s affairs.
And by illegal i do not mean trumped up laws that target christians and faith healing.
Considering that children care naught about religion and develop their own imaginary world until taught what to believe, his "God" that he loves to shove here and there is nothing more than a concept for adults, by adults.
In fact, it's immensely dishonest of him because it's fairly known that children cannot think completely until they're fairly mature. Although TA's sick religion loves to make everybody sinful right since the foetus stage, children are totally oblivious to moral values the way adults are. Let's not talk of babies here either!