leon_caboose wrote: I do enjoy the entire puzzle aspect of the debate, in the way of putting together various scenes to reach a conclusion, I just ain't enough of a nerd to go as far as a lot of you people. I'm a ranch hand in real life and though I've seen alotta episodes of star trek, I haven't seen enough to notice these tidbits y'all seem to notice.
Most of us are old hands at this. I was lurking at various verses debate sites for years, and I kind of started saving quotes that I thought might be useful to have if I ever started to debate.
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Finding information on Star isn't all that hard do to. Star Trek fans are oddly good at organizing the data from the shows and movies.
I usually first go to Memory Alpha. The pages are well sourced and well organized, but it is still a wiki made and maintained by fans so you need to double check things. Memory Alpha contains a large amount of information ranging from interviews to pictures, and some scripts(somewhere).
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Portal:Main
Then I tend to go to "Chrissie's Transcripts Site/chakoteya.net" which has transcripts for every Star Trek episode and most of the movies. For Star Trek only what made it into the actual episode is "canon", and a simple command F on Chrissie's will let you search the pages.
http://www.chakoteya.net/index.html
If I am looking for screen captures I go to Trekcore. It has every episode and movie in screen capture form from beginning to end. It doesn't always have what I'm looking for, but it is the best place to look. I usually type trekcore and the episode's name into Google. Keep in mind that DVD screen caps will be different from HD/Blue Ray screen caps.
http://www.trekcore.com/
If I'm looking for a video clip, I often search Youtube, but that is hit or miss.
If I want to actually watch a Star Trek episode I use Netflix
The official Star Trek site is useful, and seems to play Star Trek episodes.
http://www.startrek.com/
Not all of the sections work, and it appears likely the site will never be finished, but it is still very useful.
http://echelon.0catch.com/
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If you are searching for information on Star Wars it is more difficult to find reliable information on even though there is so much more Star Wars to go through if you could c level canon/the extended universe.
Wookiepedia is corrupted by verse debaters, for example: the on Base Delta Zero page, you will notice the two links at the bottom are verses debating sites run by the same group of people(Curtis Saxton, Mike Wong/Star Destroyer.net, and Brian Young are old buddies in verse debates), and the picture of the star destroyer shooting at the yellowish thing should not be there as the picture has nothing to do with BDZ.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Base_Delta_Zero
Do not assume anything you read at Wookiepedia is 100% correct unless you have a way to verify it.
2046's site has a large number of quotes scattered throughout it, but he has a long reputation in verse debating so it would be best for you to not link to the site as it looks like you are just blindly parroting what he said.
http://st-v-sw.net/STSWhi2.html
2046 intends to cover the "Star Wars: The Clone Wars" TV series, but he seems to have stalled at season 2.
http://www.nolettershome.info/
You can find Star Wars movie scripts at these locations. They seem to host different versions of the scripts.
http://www.blueharvest.net/scoops/index.shtml
http://www.imsdb.com/writer.php?w=George%20Lucas
The Star Wars official site is useful, but not as good as it use to be.
http://starwars.com/
I seem to recall there being sites online that let you watch Star Wars: The Clone Wars for free.
This page about the Super-Star Destroyer in Return of the Jedi is useful.
http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/2013/1 ... surements/
WIRED.com has some analysis of Star Wars
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/ ... ter-speed/
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/ ... ot-second/
over at Spacebattles.com a poster that goes by the name of Jared made a list of Star Wars firepower. Post number 929
http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/ ... st-8665947
This is an article refuting Dr.Curtus Saxton's claim that Endor was destroyed by the destroyed Death Star 2. It is something you should likely read so you know what the "Endor Holocaust" is.
http://web.archive.org/web/200602020015 ... les/endor/
http://web.archive.org/web/200603181845 ... 040810.pdf
Here is some work by Mr. Oragahn before he was banned from Spacebattles for reasons I'm not clear on.
http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/ ... ds.125843/
I would suggest watching the new Rebels cartoon, and taking notes on anything that catches your eye, and I've heard rumors that the Clone Wars series will be on Netflix.
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LEXICANUM is the Warhammer 40,000 wiki seems to be about as well sourced as Memory Alpha.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page#.Uvwr-xxnb9k
Google Search: "battlefleet Gothic Resources: Basic rules" and you can down load a PDF version of the Battle Fleet Gothic game. Battle Fleet Gothic is the Warhammer 40,000's spaceship VS Spaceship game and loaded with fluff.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/conte ... =21500018a
You can see how a Warhammer 40,000 debate can go here.
http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/ ... nt.216863/
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Here is a site with scans cataloging the abilities of pretty much every comic book superhero or supervillain there is.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/
This site houses extremely detailed articles on rather obscure things in Marvel Comics.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/index.htm
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This page has links to useful metrooid sites, and houses a large amount of well sourced Metroid information.
http://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
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Here are some generally useful sites
Encyclopedia Britannica online
http://www.britannica.com/
Merriam-Webster online dictionary
http://www.merriam-webster.com/
Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia
Atomic Rockets/projectrho.com has loads on information about real world science and technology that relates to science fiction, and it has a number of calculators.
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/
The Internet Movie Firearms Database is interesting. I'm not sure if it will be useful, but i find it fun to check what guns were used in the movies i watch.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Main_Page
Feel free use the search function on Star Fleet Jedi. There is a lot here beyond Star Trek, Star Wars, and Warhammer 40,000.
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Tips
1) Don't debate at Stardestroyer.net. The place has a bad reputation for a reason.
2) Don't tell people what your educational background is or what you do for a living. They don't need to know, and it does not really matter. There is no degree in analyzing fictional settings.
3) Never take a quote from the Star Trek technical manuals as evidence as they are self contradictory often. For example: the Next Generation tech manual gives three different maximum yields for photon torpedos.
Page: 129
Maximum Photon Torpedo Yield (assuming E=MC^2 and 100% efficiency) = about 64 Megatons
Page: 141
Maximum Photon Torpedo Yield = about 2.39 Gigatons
Page: 141
Maximum Photon Torpedo Yield = about 5 kilotons
Publisher: Pocket Books Star Trek
Title: Star Trek The Next Generation Technical Manual
ISBN: 978-0-6717-0427-8
Page: 129 wrote:
While the maximum payload of anti-matter in a standard torpedo is only about 1.5 kilograms, the released energy per unit of time is actual greater then that calculated for a Galaxy class anti-matterpod rupture.
Maximum Photon Torpedo Yield = 64.44 Megatons
Publisher: Pocket Books Star Trek
Title: Star Trek The Next Generation Technical Manual
ISBN: 978-0-6717-0427-8
Page: 141 wrote:
Matter from the primary deuterium tankage and the total supply of anti-matter from the storage pods on Deck 42 are expelled simultaneously, producing an energy release on the order of 10^15 megajoules, roughly 1000 photon torpedos.
1 Megajoule = 1000000 Joules
10^15 = 1000000000000000
10^15 Megajoules = 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 J
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 J = 10 zettajoules
10 zettajoules = 2390057.36138 Megatons
2390057.36138 Megatons / 1000 = 2390.05736138 Megatons
2390.05736138 Megatons = 2.390057361 Gigatons
Maximum Photon Torpedo Yield = 2.39 Gigatons
Publisher: Pocket Books Star Trek
Title: Star Trek The Next Generation Technical Manual
ISBN: 978-0-6717-0427-8
Page: 141 wrote:
The release yield of the secondary system is calculated to be 10^9 megajoules, roughly equivalent to 500 photon torpedos. The secondary destruct system becomes the primary system for the Saucer Module in Separated Flight Node.
10^9 Megajoules = 1000000000 Megajoules
1000000000 Megajoules = 10000000000000000 Joules
10,000,000,000,000,000 Joules = 10 Petajoules
10 Petajoules = 2390.05736138 kilotons
2390.05736138 kilotons / 500 = 4.78011472276 kilotons
Maximum Photon Torpedo Yield = 5 kilotons
Page: 55
Warp speed chart lists warp 9 as one thousand times the speed of light. You can likely see why this doesn't work.
Authors' Introduction Page: VII
An important word of caution: All Starfleet personnel are hereby advised that any previous technical documentation in your possession may be suspect because of an ongoing Starfleet program of disinformation intended to confound and confuse the intelligence assets of potential forces. Such documents should therefore be verified with Federation archives, and this manual for authenticity.
4) If someone makes a claim that sounds out outlandish ask for quotes or videos, and make sure they give the full quote. There many times the full quote will show something different then what is claimed. Lies by omission, or the person just making a mistake happen a lot more often then one would like.
5) Warhammer 40,000 has a horrible canon system making rather difficult to debate for or against. Everything is seemingly on equal footing making it impossible to work out contradictions.