THE WAR ON DEMOCRACY

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Re: THE WAR ON DEMOCRACY

Post by Picard » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:16 pm

There are two main problems with F22. First, they are so complicated, maintenance-hungry and expensive that they will never be able to get up to the numbers required to do their tasks. Second, there are quite a few problems with them:
1) Outdated electronics. Development process was scheduled to last 5 years. It lasted 20. As such, electronics are outdated, and require upgrading. Some say, and I agree, that Lockheed Martin intentionally drew out development of airplane in order to suck money from Federal Government
2) Problematic stealth coating. Despite being branded as "low-maintenance", it is anything but - aside from basically accounting for entirety of price difference between say, Raptor and Eurofighter Typhoon, it requires frequent maintenance, and is sensitive to rain. It accounts for over half of maintenance Raptors undergo. It suffers corrosion problems too.
3) Problematic oxygen systems
4) Cracks
5) Computer crashes. That has probably been fixed.
6) Cost. Brand-new F-15 costs $ 50 million. F-22 costs $ 300 million, and is far more maintenance-heavy.

Once all problems are fixed, it will become excellent fighter. But it will never be able to work without something like F-15 backing it up.

Either way, it is still far better than F-35.

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Re: THE WAR ON DEMOCRACY

Post by Picard » Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:37 pm

I'm not sure this was posted:
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/f22 ... ted-02908/

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-6548.html

http://www.strategypage.com/dls/article ... 5-2009.asp

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/w ... n-1424149/

As I said. F22 is quite capable, highly problematic plane (althought far more capable and less problematic than F35) that will never be able to replace F15. Supplement, yes. Replace, no. It is similar to situation with Tiger tanks in WW2. They were, one-on-one, unbeatable to most hostile tanks. However, they were too few and too complicated to build in large numbers. Panthers faced same problems, although to a smaller scale.

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Post by Picard » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:46 pm

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/faq.html

In short, debt exploded as soon as Friedman's policies were implemented.

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Post by Picard » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:21 am

I think that best system would be where workers are also owners of firms they work in; as such, they would be entirely interested in success of firm they work in, and would be fully accountable for their decisions, without need for too much input from state or corrupt thieves called "capitalists".

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Post by mojo » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:44 am

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
-- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, putting Nostradamus to shame..

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Post by Picard » Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:07 pm

Thannks for the quote. I'd put it in my sig, but I don't see sigs anymore, and I mean all sigs, not just mine.

And sigs are enabled in my CP.

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Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:11 pm

Picard wrote:http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/faq.html

In short, debt exploded as soon as Friedman's policies were implemented.
In any normal affair, be it about some random company or a peer, you could not be allowed to amass such debts.
However, nations have been allowed to do so, to points so absurd that huge percentages of the GDP of the supposedly richest countries in the world directly goes into the hands of the owners of that debt.

It's even more silly that the US debt would be partly owned by other nations when many of those other nations have their own debt owned, in return, by the US.
It's all a nonsensical web, one where you're sure that if you actually pull one string, the whole thing might come down.

That article is also very dangerous. It abuses a form of newspeak and enjoys defining debt as the money a government possesses!
Bullshit. What about saying it actually is the amount of money a government owes to someone? A money which the government obviously has to get or generate in a way or another. Amusingly enough, the debt system is such -and that's worldwide- that countries borrow the money on the market, at high interest rates. Which keep increasing as the economies get worse : enjoy the vicious circle.
Technically, the US, for example, was supposed to be able to get its money from the FED in astutely calculated ways, but at near null interest rates. Which isn't really the case.
The same goes on in the EU. The Maastricht deal has been a decisive step in depriving the countries from their right to manage their respective currencies.

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Post by Picard » Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:26 pm

Well, I didn't read article. I was looking solely at the graph.

And government "owns" money in sense that it can use it as it sees fit. For example, you "own" a house or a car even if you are still paying off credit.

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Post by sonofccn » Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:42 pm

Picard wrote: think that best system would be where workers are also owners of firms they work in;
I disagree. If you don't have a stake in the till, you don't risk your holdings by investing in said company it will be like collectivization "everybody" owns it so nobody owns it. No responsibility merely trying to suck out as many paychecks before the factory collaspes.
Picard wrote:and would be fully accountable for their decisions, without need for too much input from state or corrupt thieves called "capitalists".
Look you prefer a certain social-econonic arrangment. That's fine, its a free country and your entitled to your opinion. However as a proud member of the group you so malign and in the interest of keeping things civil could you please tone down the mud slinging.

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Post by mojo » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:36 pm

sonofccn wrote:
Picard wrote: think that best system would be where workers are also owners of firms they work in;
I disagree. If you don't have a stake in the till, you don't risk your holdings by investing in said company it will be like collectivization "everybody" owns it so nobody owns it. No responsibility merely trying to suck out as many paychecks before the factory collaspes.
then how do you explain the success of so many businesses after employee buyouts?
sonofccn wrote:
Picard wrote:and would be fully accountable for their decisions, without need for too much input from state or corrupt thieves called "capitalists".
Look you prefer a certain social-econonic arrangment. That's fine, its a free country and your entitled to your opinion. However as a proud member of the group you so malign and in the interest of keeping things civil could you please tone down the mud slinging.
that's like saying 'you prefer an arrangement in which we don't all pretend we have a chance to become rich, and pointlessly spend our lives trying to achieve that goal instead of trying to find a way in which all have a real chance to be happy, or, if that can't be obtained, a way in which we can all have a roof over our heads and food to eat regardless of where we are born and who our parents are."
how can you even accuse someone of mudslinging when the entire foundation of capitalism is blatant greed and selfishness? should we all stop expressing distaste when we come across other forms of same? capitalism works because people are dicks. we're born that way. it's a natural instinct to be selfish and greedy with an obvious evolutionary purpose, which is fine when you're swinging from the trees trying to find enough bananas to live through the day without starving, but just maybe it's time to start thinking in terms of what we can do to help each other AND NOT IN A WAY IN WHICH ANY SUPPOSED 'HELP' IS NOTHING MORE THAN A SIDE EFFECT OF GREED.

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Post by Picard » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:52 pm

I think this says enough about corporatism. US started being corporatistic state in 1980s. Result? This:

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/faq.html

EDIT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... U4GdHLUHwU

Notice the timing.

Also, European union is in such crap beacouse its economy, as current US' economy, is basically mix of socialism and corporatism - all powerful corporations are running amok, while states struggle to create impression of socialsim, without money to back it up, money being stolen by corporations. And of course it will fall apart.

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Post by sonofccn » Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:26 pm

Mojo wrote:then how do you explain the success of so many businesses after employee buyouts?
I don't have a problem with workers investing or even pooling their money togather to buyout "managment" indeed that would be putting stake in the game I was speaking of. Picard spoke of workers just owning the factory free from Capitalists in some form of collective-equality.
that's like saying 'you prefer an arrangement in which we don't all pretend we have a chance to become rich, and pointlessly spend our lives trying to achieve that goal instead of trying to find a way in which all have a real chance to be happy, or, if that can't be obtained, a way in which we can all have a roof over our heads and food to eat regardless of where we are born and who our parents are."
I am a Capitalist Mojo, it is what I am. We see the world differntly nor is this likely to change. You are free to disagree with my views same as I am free to disagree with yours but being insulting and inflamatory is unlikely to produce anything of merit.
how can you even accuse someone of mudslinging when the entire foundation of capitalism is blatant greed and selfishness?
Likely because I disagree with that basic premise. Perhaps I don't view rewarding achievment and incentive as negative traits.
should we all stop expressing distaste when we come across other forms of same?
You are of course free to do what you wish, I merely asked that Picard tone it done out of respect for the other side. It isn't conductive to debate or good board relations to insult the entire opposition.
capitalism works because people are dicks.
Well I won't deny humans are flawed creatures.
it's a natural instinct to be selfish and greedy with an obvious evolutionary purpose, which is fine when you're swinging from the trees trying to find enough bananas to live through the day without starving, but just maybe it's time to start thinking in terms of what we can do to help each other AND NOT IN A WAY IN WHICH ANY SUPPOSED 'HELP' IS NOTHING MORE THAN A SIDE EFFECT OF GREED.
Conversly I do not see anything wrong with rewarding achievement, of work performed. I am of the teaching that letting people persue their own path to the best of their abilities, each wishing to enrich their lives, produces a surplus of wealth. The food in your fridge, the power which lits your home, your computer all were built by people interested in bettering their lives not improving yours but regardless you both benifited from the exchange

You likely don't agree which is fine. But if we wish to do anything but shout at each other I believe it behooves us to respect the other's right to be wrong.

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Re: THE WAR ON DEMOCRACY

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:38 am

Picard wrote:Well, I didn't read article. I was looking solely at the graph.

And government "owns" money in sense that it can use it as it sees fit. For example, you "own" a house or a car even if you are still paying off credit.
You own money, not a debt.
Still, forget what I said. It's written owed, not owned.
I saw a sort of typo where there's none.


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