That was a short weekend.
Picard wrote:It also shows reality of life in EU and corporate free trade society. As I said, I only translated it and added some notes.
It shows one man's interpentations of reality, I didn't see any sources cited through I admit I may have missed them on the page itself.
It also quite clearly shows (as you have probably noticed) that capitalists control EU, not politicians, or the people, as well as some of mechanisms of that control.
I gathered that is what the "paper" was attempting to impart to me but similarly as I disagree with you I reject his interpretation. In my opinion I find him wrong and in error with his base assumptions off kilter.
And that "one true way" of capitalism is making profit by any means necessary – arson, murder, theft, or world war. It doesn't matter to them.
Actually I was thinking competition, something which can't happen when goverment plays favors, and sufficet to say I still find your...interpetation of Capitalism wrong.
I must laugh... willing to work? They have to work for corporations, else they will die from hunger, due to these same corporations taking their land and building golf terrains on it.
Yes. Willing to work. Corps don't press guns to peoples' heads everyone works willingly. On average corps pay as good or better than local companies giving poor slobs a chance at one day improving their lot in life. And you still have not provided evidence the majority of workers in the third world had land stolen from them.
And factory ought to have some responsibilities.It has been founded and funded by money from its home country, it only exists beacouse people in West (including its home country) buy its products, so it should remain there.
Uh the Factory was built to produce products, that is all. Workers are needed to do this and they are rewarded for their effort with pay. It has no responsibility or fealty beyond the last paycheck, it doesn't exist to provide jobs; jobs exist to provide it.
There is no next factory.
For them choosing between two factories is to choose between McDonnalds and BurgerKing – no difference, except in name.
The obvious point is if McDonalds is grossely underpaying its employees, lets say it pays them in pennies, Burgerking dishes out a quarter and expands while McDonalds shrinks with all of its employees fleeing to greener pastures. Its all a balancing act which is where Marxist thought collaspes, under their thought if you pay your employees nothing at all you will become a gazilionair overnight while in reality you'll be in the poorhouse.
Besides, if they quit at one factory, there is no guarantee that they will get a job at another one – actually, they will probably be branded troublemakers and forbidden from having a job at all.
No one is guaranteed anything in this life Picard but death. You have to take risks if you want to succeed. And as to be branded a "troublemaker" merely quiting a job hardly brands you,unlike say quiting several in a row, and if they have such skills another corp will gladly take them in dening their rival the asset.
And you think they will allow pictures to be taken out?
You asked me to look at them so obviously I assume they exist. Please provide them.
Althought, descriptions of some factories that got out throught workers on a break or similar reminded me of concentration camps.
Words are easy to fabricate, doubly so for people with a bone to pick at some group or sect, pictures slightly more difficult. I'd prefer solid, photograpical evidence if at all possible.
You're a zombie then?
No. But I understand those chemicals and preservatives help mankind not hinder.
I'd like to.
Then do it. Go to your friends, inform them how stinking rick you'll be with organic bread and ask them if they want in on this. Congratulations your a Capitalist.
They cannot wander off to another company. You think everywhere is like in USA and Europe? Even in the West, situation is bad; but in the East (China, India, South-East Asia) situation is often akin to what was in Europe in 19th century.
So your saying if you try and quite someone will shoot you?
So, "you aren't worth a shit to me?" They pay them just enough for them not to die but still to have to work 16 hours a day for basic survival.
They pay the agreed upon price Picard. What the company feels the work is worth and what the employee feels is worth his time. Its a fair and free exchange, really a thing of beauty in my opinion.
And as to paying exactly what they need to stay alive you have not provided evidence and Indonesia had its minimum wage go up so no i do not agree with your assetment of the facts.
And who corrupted governments?
Themselves. Power corrupts after all.
Or you think that corruption just appears, with no reason or incentive? Corruption is a view of trade.
and I in turn view corruption as a thing of the goverment, it alters and destroys the delicate balance of capitalism. The checks and balances, hence too big to fail which never should have been uttered in America. But at this point we really are just spouting at each other.
People were richer with farming the land than in these cities.
Please prove the greater majority of people were even farmers, so far you have provided little.
So, you'd hate a guy who bulldozed your place and not a corporation which ordered him to do it beacouse it needed ground for the new market center?
Since no evidence has been presented that the corp had any involvment or foreknowledge of what the goverment did, and it is paying me unlike the goverment, yes I'd be angry at the goverment.
Innocent corporations trying to make a buck? I'd guess that Hitler was also innocent – after all, he was just trying to repair German economy.
No. he was a soclialist. And a mass murderer. Corporations however are going to underpriviliaged areas that need the work, both sides benifite.
Just take a look at any source. Internet is full of them. Search for this:
you claimed it, please provide it. A creditable source as well, not some socalistic or wacko net piece.
Greece is falling apart beacouse it literally has no primary or secondary sector
It has no private sector. We're talking about a place with 14 month per annual retirement packages for bureacrates, where hairdressers can retire early due to exposure to "hostile chemicals".
US is falling apart due to greedy corporations and due to US Government acting like oversized Insurance / Bank crossover to these same corporations.
While I am no fan of the bailout that is just part of the disease, goverment workers salaries, the early retirement and goverment mandated retirement packages a private sector bloke couldn't dream of, the various liabilities the goverment has given a blank check to are what is killing us.
As to the "corps", barely worthy of the name selling out like they did, I do detest them for that and would have let them crumble under their own inefficent rotten waste. Hence why I disaprove of "tamed Capitalism" which all too easily perverts once sleek and voracious corporations into...those wretches.
True. But they don't keep anyone in slavery either.
Can we please lay of the slave thing? It isn't slavery Picard, you have a choice.
Human society and humans as species only survived this long beacouse we were willing to help each other, often free of charge.
We typically help family free of charge or those we consider family. The close knit tribe everyone else...not so much. Again the Farmer doesn't farm to provide you with food out of the compassion of his heart he does it for his benifite. Much as compassion and mercy are noble traits worthy of preservation you have not presented evidence they are the primal motivators of humanity as opposed to mutual benifite.
You aren't as free as you think. You still depend on other people as much as someone else may depend on you.
I have need of others, and in turn others have need of my services, but we are not indebted to each other. Our transactions may be ceased at either's privilage.
And people shouldn't be treated as machine parts; "works until it breaks down" and "throw it away once it's broken".
I wouldn't call it being treated like machine parts. I have never stated you shouldn't help another in need. I have stated that one in need is not entitled to my labor and only I may see fit to bequeath it to them.
If US is strong then I'm tuna in conserve
Reread. I stated what is killing us.
It's indebted, it's falling apart
Well that is life through things have made my optimistic. The rise of the Tea party has given me hope that America's best days are still ahead of her.
And say what you want, but mutual benefit does not include treating your workers as tools or work animals.
Uh we were arguing over the basic dynamics of human interaction. So no need to merely repeat ourselves here.
It worked fine until we got pro-EU government. Then it fell apart, and is now being privatized – probably a set-up.
Wait? You said it privatized and then fell apart, now your claiming it was goverment owned, collasped and is only now being privitized?
In your Utopian theory it isn't. But that's how corporate capitalism works.
No that is crony capitalism works which is why I want to limit goverment as much as possible. It doesn't have a place in the private sector, at least not to the extent it has grown.
F-15 is still a better fighter than F-22.
Uh everything I've seen about it actually doing the job it was designed to do, kill enemy fighters, shows it blowing the F-15 out of the water. Its has some teething problems and is a very high maintence machine but at its job it is without equal.
But Lockheed Martin makes so much money on F-22 and plans to make it on F-35 that it doesn't allow F-15s to be upgraded. Besides, it is entirely possible for excercises of F-15 with F-22 to have been a set-up, but we can't know. For now.
Conversly we have no reason to assume anything has been set up or that Martin purposuly delayed and prolonged the F-22, as opposed to the Goverment changing what it wanted exactly going from a high specilized air superority fighter to king of all trades future warbird, so I see no reason to assume things as you appeared to have done.
F-22 is top line heavy garbage.
So your an expert on American fighter jets now?
It can't fly in rain
It wasn't rainfall. The artical your link mentioned involved some jets stationed in humid, tropical areas which the coolant systems drew in. The artical mentions its essentially teething problems F-15s went through a similar thing.
it suffers from oxygen problems
As far as I can tell that has never been found a cause. Not saying there isn't a problem but if one hasn't been discovered yet you can hardly say the thing is defective without evidence.
its electronic are outdated due to development period being 15 years longer than expected 5-year development period.
Hey blame the goverment. Everything takes longer when they are around and gain the craft's profile radically changed after the cold war ended and military budges started to shrink. It went from a specilized weapon of war to something that had to be everything to everybody. Those kind of things add to your development cycle.
It wasn't able to fly against Lybia
Correction it wasn't deployed. That has nothing to with Lockheed Martin
It can't be produced in large numbers
It hasn't yet but if the Goverment would actually increase spending on the one program that is completely within their perogative we could churn these bad boys out.
main duty of fending off attack would fall to the F-15 – which has skipped at least one upgrade cycle due to F22
1. the F-15 is still the primary air superority fighter unless I'm mistaken through those F-22s would hit far above their number.
2. F-15s are old, their aging. Its like upgrading p-51's instead of building F-89's.
3. and lastly this is the fighter the Goverment wanted so once again if it fails to meet the cut that isn't the company's fault. They build what you ask for.
All listed problems with F22 are even worse with F35
We're talking some teething problems and being designed for the previous war. hardly daming for Lockheed Martin.
So teething problems, a 1998 "opinion piece" that the plane was being pushed ahead too quickly and the general comment it is a cold war design struggling to find a place in a low threat theater of war. I've never claimed the F-22 didn't have it fair critism only that it can do its job, when its high maintnence is met, and it is the plane the Goverment requested.
Because it disagrees with you?
Wal-Mart isn't controlled by other corporations. Lockheed Martin had quite a few lobbysts.
Who doesn't, you have to try and keep goverment from fragging you over. Now if you have evidence Martin purposuly and malicious produced inferior products and forced the Goverment to accept it please provide it.
You'd have improved version of F-15, which would have been superior to the F-22.
1. The F-22 can kill the F-15 in a heartbeat. 2. No the money to upgrade the F-15 would have been already blown to fund the F-22 project which as I mentioned would still only be at the commeetie level with bureacrates arguing amonst themselves as they are won't to do.
Lockheed Martin intentionally drew out development of F-22 from 5 to 20 years, so that once F22 reached production stage, its electronics were already outdated.
If you have proof it did so purposuly please provide it.
I had some really good teachers at public school. Actually, they were more of a rule than an exception.
If you say so. I'll still trust a private employee over a goverment worker. And private schools do typically score higher than public, at least state side.
And how much McDonalds gets for feeding students crap?
Wouldn't know. None of my schools had Mcdonalds. We all had to eat cafateria food.
It's one thing eating fast food occasionally. It's something completely different to create fast food addicts.
Free will. No one forces them to eat at Mcdonalds but that's beside the point. You claimed they were poisioning kids which they are not.
Collectivism makes you (or should make you) feel responsible for your actions and how they will affect other people.
Doesn't work that way. Typically creates the exact opposite, look at Greece riot to keep benifites going. The country is completely and totally bankrupt, completely in hock and they don't care. They merely want what they are "entitled" to.
And supporters will want to know how profitable it is.
Obviously. That is the human condition and if the machine is practical you can make profit off of it.
They are now destroying independent farmers in Croatia so that they can't use horseshit to become a concurention
I will believe it when I see it.
corporations buy – or try to buy – anything they see as profitable. Then they protect it so that only they can use it.
Yes. Private property, conerstone of civilization. entices and forces others to keep pushing on to find richer deposits. Truly wonderful.
Farmers aren't even trying to do it yet. Yet corporations are destroying them.
First you said they were destroying farmers to stop them from using horse dung as a fuel source. Now you are claiming they are premativly destroying them for something they haven't even attempted. That is a contridiction.
Take a bicycle. And again there is issue of human idiocy – too many people (including one I know) like to drive car just for sake of it.
Freedom Picard. If I want to drive a car I paid for, pay for the fuel that goes into the tank I can drive it as much as I want, for as long as i want whenver I so desire.
That would be perfect if your affairs wouldn't affect anyone. But noone lives under glass bell.
Doesn't matter. Personal rights, a right to live my life as I see fit. Actual freedom. You may beg, bribe and plead but in the end the decision must reside within me alone or we have tyranny.
Everyone is happy except for workers
Why wouldn't they be happy. They've just been paid.
I could not find the words Stolen, stole, Land etc in the document. It merely talks about women workers.
And your is broken corporatists record bleeting on about well-meaning misunderstood capitalists.
Maybe. I am the unrepented Capitalist after all. And for the record I do trust Corps far more than I trust goverment.
And what when these corporations take over Govenment and its duties?
Personally I don't believe corporations can take over goverment's role without absorbing their failings so I'd vote little to no change.
Are you sure that it was Government which did it out of its own will, as opposed to corporate lobbying?
I don't think Lobbiests had much to do with Fascist Italy, Mao's china, Stalin's Russia or Lenin's before that.
Which no man is completely free
Not from want Picard or need. Indeed Freedom normally exuberates such things but free to act. To make ones own decisions.
Beacouse you can't live like island for yourself?
I'm not an island I pay my way. And no one is stopping you Picard from living a selfless life catering to those in need. All I ask is that you let me, and every other individual, make his or her own decision. Be generous with your own money Picard, not mine.
Hitler's goals were well known long before the war.
You said during war Picard. That is 1941-1945. High Treason to support an enemy of your country. What men did before that doesn't interest me, they have to answer for everything by a higher power, only either evidence for the alleged crime or a retraction.