I suppose my position (using a ST vs sw angle) is that we are talking about the universe's creation and the bible is a bit like the ICS in regards to the guys who wrote it being undeniably biased.mojo wrote: how can you be willing to debate STAR WARS and STAR TREK as if everything contained therein were true, but have such a problem doing the same thing with the bible? if it makes you feel better, just accept the bible as canon and christian dogma as what we may debate. i'm not even attempting to prove the truth of christianity one way or the other. i just find the whole thing interesting, as i grew up constantly learning about it. so trying to respond with 'but hell isn't real' is about as valid as 'but anakin has to win the fight or the story won't make sense'.
no offense, honestly, i mean none.
Yes it has a few accurate details in it like names and places of real people and areas (just like the ICS has actual G canon ships ect) but just because of it has some details right does not mean that they all are. For example the fact that a dude called jesus existed is likely true (just like acclamators do) but claims of his powers and his divinity are another matter (just like claims made regarding the acclamatotrs powers).
Oh and do not concern yourself as i know you mean no offense, obviously nor do i.
See above in regards to the general situation.mojo wrote:if various people, places, and events from the bible, over the course of 6,000 years, can be shown to have existed or to have happened as described, doesn't that add plausibility to christianity as opposed to the book of the fsm, whose people, places, and events can actually sometimes be shown to NOT have existed or to NOT have happened as described?
HOWEVER as the bible contains provable factual material and the fsm book does not it at least can be considered part fact and part fiction rather than total fiction like the fsm book.
Now you mention it i do recall the image on the Sistine chapel being of a snake with the torso and head of a man.also, the serpent is never referred to as the devil, and it's not even implied in the original text in any way. in fact, it could not have possibly even been a snake, as only after it successfully tempts eve is it punished with having to move around on it's belly all day.
But regardless it does not change the fact that snakes as the old subjects of mans worship are being vilified by the new kids on the block.
Did you know that also the supposed end of Norse mythology (Ragnarök) is very similar to the beginning of christianities as it ends with the norse gods and their enemies along with all humanity being destoryed apart from a man and a woman who emerge from the life tree and go on to repopulate the world....starting again with a man woman and a tree sound familiar?. (quite interesting considering how hard the church worked to stamp out "pagan" religion).