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Re: Transreality

Post by Praeothmin » Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:27 pm

Well, if they can demonstrate that hormone therapy does indeed take away any muscle mass advantage from this, I don't see why not.
I wouldn't automatically accept the person, I'd have that person wait maybe two years, to make sure the hormones did indeed take effect, and make sure to test that person regularly to make sure she is still taking the hormones, but once the "muscle mass advantage" is taken out, then why not?

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Re: Transreality

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:41 pm

Praeothmin wrote:Well, if they can demonstrate that hormone therapy does indeed take away any muscle mass advantage from this, I don't see why not.
I wouldn't automatically accept the person, I'd have that person wait maybe two years, to make sure the hormones did indeed take effect, and make sure to test that person regularly to make sure she is still taking the hormones, but once the "muscle mass advantage" is taken out, then why not?
It won't be worse than German ladies taking male hormones, with most people in the commission acting like if it were normal and applauding the performance.
Although one could always raise an eyebrow and find something funny about the idea of taking hormones to nerf abilities.

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Re: Transreality

Post by Tyralak » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:01 am

Mr. Oragahn wrote:
Praeothmin wrote:Well, if they can demonstrate that hormone therapy does indeed take away any muscle mass advantage from this, I don't see why not.
I wouldn't automatically accept the person, I'd have that person wait maybe two years, to make sure the hormones did indeed take effect, and make sure to test that person regularly to make sure she is still taking the hormones, but once the "muscle mass advantage" is taken out, then why not?
It won't be worse than German ladies taking male hormones, with most people in the commission acting like if it were normal and applauding the performance.
Although one could always raise an eyebrow and find something funny about the idea of taking hormones to nerf abilities.
I thought all East German women looked like men anyway. :P

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Re: Transreality

Post by Who is like God arbour » Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:17 pm

Tyralak wrote:I thought all East German women looked like men anyway. :P
You thought wrong.

There are many women in the new states of Germany, who do not look like men.

And Angela Merkel, who comes from the new states of Germany, is not a good example for East German women. That's why she could become Bundeskanzler.
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Re: Transreality

Post by Praeothmin » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:53 pm

Ty, as WILGA said, you thought wrong, believe me.
I was in Germany for a business trip a few years back, and wow, were there ever cute ladies... :)

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Re: Transreality

Post by Tyralak » Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:06 pm

You do realize I'm just teasing with an outdated stereotype don't you?

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Re: Transreality

Post by Kor_Dahar_Master » Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:25 pm

Tyralak wrote:You do realize I'm just teasing with an outdated stereotype don't you?
Yea Katarina Witt was a 80's east German skater and very doable.
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Re: Transreality

Post by Praeothmin » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:59 pm

Ty, you do realize I'm just trying to make you jealous, don't you?

Kor, what was she scatering?
And what is "scatering" anyways?
And yes, she was a hot Figure Skater, and an even hotter playboy model... :)

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Re: Transreality

Post by Admiral Breetai » Thu May 05, 2011 3:58 pm

yeah I was in germany for work a few years ago and I learned two things...well three they have really hot women Larhal is still popular there for some reason oh and don't fuck with the cops

but yeah I didn't see no hyperbutch she-vikings and the one or two really athletic women had more that Lady Shiva/she-hulk thing going which is totally fine by any ones standards

any ways why the necro?

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Re: Transreality

Post by Mike DiCenso » Thu May 05, 2011 6:42 pm

Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. This extremely divisive thread died out nearly seven months ago, so there had better be a good reason for this.
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Re: Transreality

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri May 06, 2011 12:05 am

Somehow a post must have been deleted cause thus far it's Breetai who necroed the thread. :)

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Re: Transreality

Post by Admiral Breetai » Fri May 06, 2011 1:57 am

Mr. Oragahn wrote:Somehow a post must have been deleted cause thus far it's Breetai who necroed the thread. :)
some new poster named Sally randomly revived it

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Re: Transreality

Post by Mike DiCenso » Fri May 06, 2011 5:59 am

Said poster it turned out is/was a spambot with an AI that is good enough to cut and paste from particular threads, and was able to make it look half-coherent. That's why it's posts are all gone now, JMS deleted them.
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Re: Transreality

Post by mojo » Sat May 07, 2011 5:19 am

Jedi Master Spock wrote:Serafina has requested a full review of the events of the thread and made numerous private accusations of bigotry. I will therefore unravel and exhibit what happened regarding the exchange of insults in this thread.

1: And no prejudiced semi-octagenarian gardener is going to change that. Serafina, baiting Kor.
2 Say, are you a member of the family of blood? I better get my mobile phone then, and a fob watch. Serafina, baiting Kor.
3: I am not running from anything, your claim that a doctor you saw says you are a certain way is no more valid and likely less valid than the report from Zucker on his results. The real differance is that children are not practiced liars like you nor do they have access to the "transgender narrative" like you did. Kor, implying that Serafina lied to get a diagnosis.
4: Here, let me quote your original prejudiced drivel again: ... No, you prejudist. ... Again, you are just posting a drivel out of ignorance, hate and prejudice. Serafina needles Kor back, calling everything he has written "drivel" and saying that he hates transsexuals.
5: You do it here a lot so i see no reason why you would not do it elsewhere......a liar exposed is still a liar. Kor responds to this by fleshing out his accusation. As with Serafina's accusation of prejudice (lit: "before-judgment") there is substance to his saying that Serafina is a liar; however, it is the implications
6: Actually it clearly refers to me thinking you are emotionally unstable and cannot think rationally on the subject. ... This thread is full of evidence of what i and others consider your emotional instability regarding the subject. Kor follows this up by saying that Serafina is irrational on the subject at hand.
7: Your only source for that claim is your prejudice that transwomen are generally liars. Serafina generalizes Kor's claim about her in particular to transwomen in general.
8: You are not a woman and you will never be one unless you happen to be able to prove the existance of r[eincarnation. You are a mentally ill, emotionally unstable individual who has a deep seeded disatisfaction with his life and is looking for a soap box to preach from to try and force others to accept absurdities likely because it gives you a feeling of control and power you cannot gain any other way.

I doubt you are actually transgender, i doubt you have seen doctors and i doubt you are anything apart from lonely and angry boy looking for attention and somewhere to vent your frustration.

Still you claim im a bigot so i guess we could both be wrong.

Kor breaks out the big guns and throws the whole tackle box of unwelcome assertions at Serafina.
9: I suggest that you move to the bible belt, you would fit in much better there. Serafina sta ys mild but drops a characteristically SDN-style comparison to fundamentalist Christians.
10: And after seeing what you claim is your picture i suggest you join a rock band as the main MALE lead singer, a meatloaf parody band would be perfect, can you sing "Bat out of hell?". Kor responds to that attack with another low blow.
11: Not only are you distorting what i am saying again, but that is - and i have to use that word - sheer, unadultered hateful bigotry again. ... Ah, more - and the word is 100% appropriate - bigotry. Serafina characterises Kor's continued sexual essentialism as "hateful bigotry," and his subsequent insult as "more bigotry." I think characterising the insult as bigoted is appropriate, but classing topical disagreement as "hateful bigotry" is another matter.
12: I am insulting you cos of what you look like simply because you insulted me, i suppose you being FUGLY even as a dude is tecnically biology though.
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You look like a young meatloaf in a frock, or at the very least a male rock fan......buy a Led Zeppelin's or Motörhead T-shirt and do a bit of headbanging, you would be great at the "whiplash" technique. You can always get chopped up and go from a fertile dude to a sterile transwoman later if it does not work out...

Kor explains that he's going to go tit-for-tat and then does so.
13: I do not like you because you are a insulting distorting manipulative liar and that is about you as a person, your desired gender, sexual preferances or foot size are irrelavant to those things. Kor explains why he doesn't like Serafina.
14: You can try to convince a fundamentalist christian that homosexuality is okay all you like, you will never have any success. But you can still argue against him, lest he might infect others with his bigotry.
Your case is pretty similar.
Serafina returns to SDN-classic mode and says that Kor is like a fundie.
15: By those just like you.

Serafina you are a sick child raping pervert.......there you go i can now claim that there have been accusations that you are a sick child raping pervert...see how easy it is?
This is actually an argumentative point. Serafina appeared to subsequently recognise it as such.
Hey you are ugly, the fact that you are a ugly mutilated guy or a ugly transwoman is not the important part. However, Kor follows it up with another low blow. To review, we've moved from accusations of bigotry and lying to psychiatrists to "ugly" and "fundie."
16: I know real women who are into dudes with long hair as well, id introduce you but i like them. Kor swipes in another quick shot to the shin.
17: ]But if you would consider them worthwhile, you would hate them. Serafina is still trying to generalise Kor's opinion of her to all transsexuals.
18: Stop living in your illness and take a look at what a lying manipulative kind of person you are. Kor being as diplomatic as usual.
19: Again, you are doing nothing but preaching hate against transsexual people and launching personal insults. Serafina's reply.
20: And i need no parenting advise from a soon to be neutered wannabe female. "Neutered" is a new one from Kor.
21: You use those words after your vast strawman and distorted post above it?.

I am done with discussing this with a deranged, obsessed, liar my points are made, confirmed by science.

Kor calls Serafina "deranged."
22: Actually i am now continuing this discussion elsewhere with individuals who are considerably more stable and honest than you, and while they do not agree with some of the things i have said they do not resort to the distortions/strawmen tactics that you do even though they are fully transitioned transexuals. Kor calls Serafina dishonest and unstable and says he's off to debate the topic with nicer transsexuals elsewhere who don't strawman his arguments.
23: I insult you because you are a deranged, manipulative, lying asshole not because you are transgendered. Kor calls Serafina an asshole.
24: Actually id say that when somebody goes to so much effort, fails to find what they want and concludes its somebody elses fault it is reasonable to conclude they need help, you really are a deranged, obsessive nut job aint ya?. Kor calls Serafina deranged again (in response to Serafina's accusation that he couldn't possibly be involved in another discussion with transsexuals elsewhere on the internet).
big big thanks to sally the ai spambot, because this is one of the funniest fucking posts i've ever read in my life.

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Re: Transreality

Post by Mike DiCenso » Sat May 07, 2011 6:08 am

All right.. all right, folks. Move along. Nothing to see here...
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