PunkMaister wrote:Name one, Oh wait you can't because there has never been such a thing ever implemented in the history of mankind...
Except for the, oh, thirty-five years between the Second World War and the rise of Margaret Thatcher that Britain went through. Y'know, the one where most of society entered an economic 'consensus' and adopted a form of Keynesian economics.
What a load! The US already has minimum wages, welfare and so on and welfare what has created if anything is parasitism as people would much rather just sit in their welfare provided homes and make babies than to to actually go and work.
You don't know how America works, do you? The United States doesn't actually have all that much of a welfare state; your argument
might be plausible in Europe or Canada, perhaps, but it doesn't work within the United Kingdom as that type of person very rarely exists in the US. Or, for that matter, in the UK. Where there
is a valid welfare state. They exist, but they're not a majority.
Vast amount of civil rights? Yeah for the poor at the expense of the middle class which is to be sacrificed like lambs at the altar of your beloved Socialism.
And here, PunkMaister displays a basic lack of knowledge as to
what civil rights actually are. Civil rights do not take anything away from anybody unless you're talking about freedom to act upon one's bigotry. Civil rights are your basic things like freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of marriage, freedom of choice, etc.
Take those away, and you're a fascist. I don't feel I'm invoking Godwin's law by saying that one, it really is the actual definition of fascism.
Over here we have socialized medicine and it has been nothing but a disaster and an ever more expensive pain in the arse. We use to have public hospitals now we do not because the government had to sell them in order to provide their social health plan and cards instead. So don't go talking to me about the benefits of socialism and let's not even go to the wonderful section 8 program that have turned all corners of the island into crime spots. Yeah socialism works and so does a hole in the head!
Yes, because one incident of failure can be compared with, say, Canada or the UK, where the healthcare is actually far superior to countries without universal healthcare. It's not in a particularly decent state at the minute, but it's
better than the United States. Just because one example fails miserably doesn't mean they all do, and the best health system in the world is socialised. The French one, specifically. Now, let me tell you my admittedly anecdotal experience with socialised medicine; my grandfather and grandmother are alive today. At the time of their respective debilitations, we were a very poor family who couldn't possibly afford medical bills, and probably wouldn't be able to afford the medical treatments which saved their lives.
More to the point, my mother managed to survive cervical cancer due to socialised healthcare. Without that, my younger sister would not have been born, and I would be without the parent who encouraged me to stay in education and pursue my goal of becoming a writer. Hell, I can't quite remember from the details when it happened, so I myself may not have existed.
Really, only a complete fuckwit disagrees with the ideals of socialised healthcare; health is as basic a human right as oxygen. For that very same reason, I also disagree to some extent that we should have to pay for food, shelter and clothing. But one step at a time.
Bull! Just one look at all the Socialist countries that have existed or exist turns that argument to shreds... You are probably one of the Bozzos that think that private enterprise does not generate jobs nor general revenue.
No, I'm one of the clever people who looks at the long run. I've also seen the result of the long run when these private enterprises are given a blank slate to do whatever the hell they want. It's actually the source of a major worldwide banking crisis that you may or may not have noticed.