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Mike DiCenso wrote:So... what's the point, that someone can pervert the scientific methodology and peer review process, and got away with it for many years?
-Mike

Mike DiCenso wrote:That does not mean that someone cannot slip something by them. In this case a respected doctor pulled it off so that he could make some big money for the drug companies.
-Mike

PunkMaister wrote:Aside from a terrorist there is nothing worse than a doctor who disses his oath for money...

• • »I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.«

# To teach medicine to the sons of my teacher. In the past, medical schools gave preferential consideration to the children of physicians.[citation needed]

# To practice and prescribe to the best of my ability for the good of my patients, and to try to avoid harming them. This beneficial intention is the purpose of the physician. However, this item is still invoked in the modern discussions of euthanasia.

# Never to do deliberate harm to anyone for anyone else's interest. Physician organizations in most countries have strongly denounced physician participation in legal executions. However, in a small number of cases, most notably the U.S. states of Oregon,[5] Washington,[6] Montana,[7]. and in the the Kingdom of the Netherlands,[8] a doctor can prescribe euthanasia with the patient's consent.

# To avoid violating the morals of my community. Many licensing agencies will revoke a physician's license for offending the morals of the community ("moral turpitude").

# I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art. The "stones" referred to are kidney stones or bladder stones, removal of which was judged too menial for physicians, and therefore was left for barbers (the forerunners of modern surgeons). Surgery was not recognized as a specialty at that time. This sentence is now interpreted as acknowledging that it is impossible for any single physician to maintain expertise in all areas. It also highlights the different historical origins of the surgeon and the physician.

# To keep the good of the patient as the highest priority. There may be other conflicting 'good purposes,' such as community welfare, conserving economic resources, supporting the criminal justice system, or simply making money for the physician or his employer that provide recurring challenges to physicians.

ILikeDeathNote wrote:I still don't follow what "S G U R D" spell.

PunkMaister wrote:A doctors oath if you don't know is to do no harm!

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Hippocratic Oath

A doctor is meant to be a healer not somebody that does harm. While politicians are usually corrupt to varying degrees anyway and well dictators what else can be expected from men that they only got where they are by sheer brutality.

• • I swear by Apollo, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath.
    
    To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art.
    
    I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.
    
    I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.
    
    But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.
    
    I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.
    
    In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.
    
    All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.
    
    If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot.

PunkMaister wrote:None of the criminals you mentioned Rapists etc ever made any kind of oath so there! It is worse because he violated an oath a sacred oath to preserve life and to do no harm.

• »Aside from a terrorist there is nothing worse than a doctor who disses his oath for money...«

Mike DiCenso wrote:That does not mean that someone cannot slip something by them. In this case a respected doctor pulled it off so that he could make some big money for the drug companies.
-Mike

GStone wrote:My problem with the supposed oath is that it's drilled into kid's heads these days that it means death must be preveted at all costs if possible. Sometimes, it's better to not live a long life with a bad condition. Life is forced on people that try to kill themselves because thoughts of killing yourself are automatically seen as a psychological problem and means you're crazy. You can only be mentally healthy if you want to live.