Starfleet Jedi

Ok im just gonna post some information about Ships in Star Wars so that Star Trek fans who don't really know a whole lot about Star Wars and also Star Wars fans who arent as nerdy as me can use as a reference.

This stuff comes directly from a program called Behind The Magic that was made by LucasArts Entertainment Company so this stuff is accurate.


Imperial Star Destroyer
Length: 1600 meters
On-board personel:36,810
Gunners:275
72 tie fighters
12 landing barges
20 at-at
30 at-st
15 Imp. landing craft
Weapons: 60 Taim & Bak XX-9 turbolasers with LeGrange computer assited targeting, 60 ion cannons, 10 tractor beams
The empire has a good supply of 25,000 Star Destroyers

Super Star Destroyer
Length:12,800 meters
Crew: 279,144
Gunners: 1,590
Ground Troops: 38,000
144 tie fighters
200 misc. combat ships
3 prefabricated Imperial garrison bases
30 AT-AT
40 AT-ST
Weapons: 250 turbolasers, 250 heavy turbolasers, 250 concussion missles, 250 ion cannons, 40 tractor beams
This is based on the Executor which is not a large SSD, the largest is called the Eclipse which is much bigger than this i'm pretty sure its 18,000 meters long

Death Star I
Diameter: 120 Kilometers
Crew: 774,576
Officers: 27,984
Support Personel: 378,685
25,984 stormtroopers
7,000 Tie Fighters
4 strike cruisers
11,000 combat vehicles
Weapons: Imperial Superlaser I, 5,000 turbolasers, 5,000 heavy turbolasers, 2,500 standard laser cannons, 2,500 ion cannons, 768 tractor beams
(i'm sorry trekkies, but no federation starship not even your fleet that intercepted the Borg could survive an attack on the death star, face it.)

Death Star II
Diameter: 160 Kilometers
Crew: 485,560
Gunners: 152,276
Troops:(Wow!!!!!)1,295,950
Stormtroopers: 127,570
Starship support staff: 75,860
Pilots: 334,432
Weapons: Imperial Superlaser II (capable of targeting smaller ships), 15,000 turbolasers, 15,000 heavy turbolasers, 7,500 laser cannons, 5,000 ion cannons, 768 tractor beams.

This Fully Armed And Operational Battlestation!!-Darth Sideous

Mon Calamari Star Cruiser
Length: 1,200 meters
Crew: 5,156
Gunners: 246
Troops: 1,200
Starfighters: 120
Weapons: 48 Taim & Bak XV-9 turbolasers, 20 ion cannons, 6 tractor beams

No two Mon Calamari Star Cruisers are alike of course the only two we see in the movies are Home One (general Ackbar's Ship) and the Liberty (which was destroyed by the Death Star II)[/b]

Um, you're gonna need to tell us what "program" this came from, and provide evidence that George Lucas himself specifically authorized this AS CANON evidence.

The name of the program is called Star Wars Behind the magic Vehicles Special Edition for windows 95/98. on the Cd it gives two websites(havent visited them yet but they probably have somethin to do with the program since its on the CD)the websites are www.lucasart.com and www.starwars.com

would you like me to copy and paste the license and README onto a reply? it would be pretty long.

Bambi wrote:would you like me to copy and paste the license and README onto a reply? it would be pretty long.

No. I just need to see the part where Lucas authorized it as canon evidence. Lucas and Lucasfilm "authorize" a lot of things. That doesn't make it canon evidence though.

http://www.lucasarts.com/products/btm/splash.htm go to this and it will tell you about the program.

I am actually familiar with Behind the Magic. But that doesn't really address the issue at hand.

then you know where im getting the information at that was the question if you know the program and are familiar with it then you know where i got it!!! and knoww all about it.

Bambi wrote:then you know where im getting the information at that was the question if you know the program and are familiar with it then you know where i got it!!! and knoww all about it.

That's not the issue though. The issue is showing that Lucas confirmed it to be canon evidence. There have been tons of licensed material over the years which have been approved, but much of which isn't canon evidence.

how am i supposed to prove it then there is nothing i can say on this reply that proves he okayed it.

Bambi wrote:how am i supposed to prove it then there is nothing i can say on this reply that proves he okayed it.

Not a big deal. Simply concede on that point, and in the future be careful making statements about what is evidence as confirmed by Lucas and what is not. You'll find that this is a highly controversial issue.

Remember: Lucas and Lucasfilm approve things all the time. For example, reference/technical manuals for both Trek and Wars have been approved at some level, but that doesn't necessarily make something canon evidence.

Luckily, on this forum, the topic starter is allowed to dictate what is to be used as evidence and what is not. If you wanted to say, for example, that for Star Wars, the movies, novelizations, and the Behind the Magic CD's were to be used as evidence, that's perfectly fine (though you'd find there are things on those CD's which are contradicted by the movies themselves). But stating that because Lucas approved something and therefore it's evidence is a completely different matter.

ok i understand, i fixed the thread and will remeber for future reference that the next time i make a thread to state the program in which I am using and not specifaclly say that George Lucas himself approved it. same way if i ever make a Star Trek thread i will not use a reference and say that Gene Roddenberry okayed it himself, because i cannot prove that everything in star trek TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager were all approved by him.

Bambi wrote:same way if i ever make a Star Trek thread i will not use a reference and say that Gene Roddenberry okayed it himself, because i cannot prove that everything in star trek TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager were all approved by him.

Hahaha, I should hope not considering Gene Roddenberry was already dead when DS9 and Voyager was in production. But again, there is a difference between being "approved" material and being canon material.

Don't forget that Roddenberry didn't own Trek like Lucas owns Wars so it isn't his place to decide what is and isn't canon.

First off, hello and welcome.

Bambi wrote:Death Star I
Diameter: 120 Kilometers
Crew: 774,576
Officers: 27,984
Support Personel: 378,685
25,984 stormtroopers
7,000 Tie Fighters
4 strike cruisers
11,000 combat vehicles
Weapons: Imperial Superlaser I, 5,000 turbolasers, 5,000 heavy turbolasers, 2,500 standard laser cannons, 2,500 ion cannons, 768 tractor beams

Seven thousand fighters? I could believe the rest, but not that. They threw maybe a whole squadron at the rebel attack in ANH, yet had 6980 something fighters collecting dust? I understand thier are limites to what can be seen on screen and buget restraints, but still.

Bambi wrote:(i'm sorry trekkies, but no federation starship not even your fleet that intercepted the Borg could survive an attack on the death star, face it.)

Assuming there is no planet to be destroyed and we are merely talking about a fleet action, a post domian war era starfleet should be able to do it with a releativly modest sized fleet.


0. Have the fleet keep thier distance and stay out of effective weapon range. Orbit DS1 to stay way from superlaser.

1.Send in cannon fodder Peregrine fighters which should easily bypass the DS1 primary shielding.

2. use Fighters to destroy the large and ineffective turbolasers, which were quite vunerable to light fighter weapons. Since Peregrine carry microphoton torpedoes it should be that much easier.

3. When a sizable portion has been defanged, the big ships can fly in, wiping out any remiang nearby gun emplacments and then simply hammer the ship/beam troops into key positions/beam explovise/etc until the threat is gone.

Don't mug the new user all at once! Bambi, welcome to the Starfleet Jedi Forum.

So what else interesting did you find in the Behind the Magic CD?