"Ghosts of Geonosis" firepower showing

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"Ghosts of Geonosis" firepower showing

Post by Khas » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:11 pm

So, in the Star Wars: Rebels episode "Ghosts of Geonosis", we see the Ghost fire two proton torpedoes at an Imperial Arquitens-class light cruiser... which promptly cause the cruiser to split in half.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFso38Alo6s

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Given that the scene took place low in Geonosis' troposphere, we can conclude from the size of the explosions that the torpedoes were of sub-kiloton yield.

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:46 am

Oh, that's not the only juicy firepower tidbit to be gained from that episode, Khas. Not too long before that, the light cruiser attempted to bury the Ghost by firing on the edges of the shaft with its turbolasers (Starts at 0:16). While what we see is kind of impressive (gigajoule-range on the largest explosion), it is nowhere near anything like what Warsies claim should be the case with TL firepower which should have resulted in a single or a handful of shots causing a massive multi-megaton class explosion. And this is apparently the very best that that cruiser can do, especially with the clear intention to trap and destroy the Ghost and on a planet that had been utterly sterilized (using poison, not turbolasers or proton torpedoes) because the Empire was so eager to cover up the Death Star's construction. Thus there are no excuses for this being a case of dialed down yields.

Oh and where was the legendary turbolaser light-year ranges? Couldn't the light cruiser's commander have ordered the bombardment from stationary orbit once their rocket pack troopers had been utterly wiped out? Again, no excuses on this one. This is clear and way one of the weakest showings of Star Wars capital ship firepower and one of the biggest contradictions in canon to warsies' claims of megaton and gigaton firepower.
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Re: "Ghosts of Geonosis" firepower showing

Post by 2046 » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:30 pm

God you Trekkists are so dumb. Clearly the proton torpedoes entered the light cruiser through a momentary gap in its 42.8 GT/s shields for an interstellar hyperwave burst, penetrating the cruiser's solid biowaste emission ports. The torpedoes travelled up the neutronium pipes to the heads on either side of the ship, requiring turns of up to 476g acceleration, before detonating on contact with atmosphere. The duraporcelain waste receptacle seats withstood much of the blast, but the remaining 97 gigatons became shape-charged upward into primary structural supports.

The neutrino heat-sinks took care of all but a few megajoules, visible as small-scale heat and light. The vessel collapse occurred because the Base Delta Zero against Geonosis had imparted so much energy that the gravity of the planet increased significantly (for even Hoth durasnow could hold the structure together for up to 20g), which is why the Ghost crew could only walk around in the deep subsurface.

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Re: "Ghosts of Geonosis" firepower showing

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:09 pm

Khas wrote:So, in the Star Wars: Rebels episode "Ghosts of Geonosis", we see the Ghost fire two proton torpedoes at an Imperial Arquitens-class light cruiser... which promptly cause the cruiser to split in half.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFso38Alo6s

Shown at 1:25

Given that the scene took place low in Geonosis' troposphere, we can conclude from the size of the explosions that the torpedoes were of sub-kiloton yield.
They could be very low KT blasts but nothing higher.
Gigajoule TLs firing in condensed salvos are ought to dent and then put holes in armour utterly defeated by such blasts.
So it fits.
The SPHA-T beams, when fired at the rising core in AOTC, did display a firepower in the high gigajoule range too.

Now, the Imperial cruiser finding itself split in half is odd because the rockets hit roughly the same spot. Aside from the expanding planar trope that doesn't seem to want to die, there's nothing else to explain what we saw. What I'll keep on this event is that two torps have a very high chance of seriously screwing a cruiser of that size. It seemed unshielded though.

Also, each half had its own antigravitationnal abilities still on to some degree.

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Re: "Ghosts of Geonosis" firepower showing

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:54 pm

Same cruiser's turret fire at a blockade runner for what seems to be the first time. The rebel ship starts to lose flank deflector shields rapidly and shots almost immediately start to leave burning marks too but damage seems superficial (we don't see big explosions nor debris flying).
https://youtu.be/0g7D6wJYTVY?t=1m40s

I'm not sure how tough those cruisers are supposed to be though.
A prototype B-wing on steroids fired a coalesced quick beam right into the nose of one of them and destroyed it.
https://youtu.be/qqU_j4IQ7mE?t=1m24s

Earlier on, this ship's weapons were tested. Normal cannons against some random heavy metal parts and then the beam against a rock protrusion.
Now, I don't know if these rocks have anything special aside from being solid enough to resist erosion and support such heights, but I don't see them rivaling the alloys used for military light cruisers.
https://youtu.be/_CvRa1NT_t4?t=1m50s

Now, talking about proton stuff of higher caliber.
You've got a proton warhead smuggled inside a droid. It detonates inside the main hangar bay of an ISD and ruins it.
https://youtu.be/3RZMfIauRuI?t=34s

Vader's fighter engages the main rebel ships, the first one having its shield up, the larger one, not.
https://youtu.be/opmWHgdz6Yo?t=1m2s
Does nice dodges and exploits inertia.
https://youtu.be/opmWHgdz6Yo?t=1m48s

An imperial transport ship carrying a kirby crystal (which resonates with the Force) has its hyperdrive charged and ready to go but get blasted first. The combined effects resulting from the explosion are interesting: planar ring, energy arcs, disintegration upon contact, finally ends in a collapse...
https://youtu.be/Du5lIOoszOM?t=1m32s

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