Star Wars & The invisible Weapons (no, it's not a band)

[Mr. Oragahn]

One final post, before having more social activities.

Remember the asteroid that gets vaporized before the bolt touches it.

An example among many:

Hey look!



An asteroid being vaporised before a Turbolaster bolt reaches it.... SHOCK-AMAZING!

A link showing the sequence in several frames.

And then there is the FACT that the bolt appears quite white at the centre of the bolt.

3d Master, just pack up and go home, we'll forgive your ignorance and stupidity,... on judgement day perhaps?

Hey look!



AMAZING!!

Gimme a break.

[watchdog]

Lightsabers can strike things without being anywhere near them!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

[Socar]

Yeah, I like how the second guy's weapon started breaking and sparking before Luke's lightsaber even got there. It's obvious that the lightsaber beam is just a tracer and that there is an invisible component at work. And maybe it moves at c as well.

[watchdog]

A link showing the sequence in several frames.

You know, when you look close at those frames, it looks more like little chunks flying off :D Nah could'nt be, turbolasers always vaporise asteroids;

;) ;) ;)

[GStone]

We're missing the obvious: Luke has a phantom limb!!!!

[Mike DiCenso]

In fairness, the "red sparkle" effect seems to occur whether or not the TL is hitting something. In particular, we see them occur after the Falcon and ISD Avenger have been stated and visually identified as having left the asteroid field. So what we see in the asteroid popping scene in TESB may be part of the residual flack effect that TLs are known to make.
-Mike

[Mr. Oragahn]

Yeah, I like how the second guy's weapon started breaking and sparking before Luke's lightsaber even got there. It's obvious that the lightsaber beam is just a tracer and that there is an invisible component at work. And maybe it moves at c as well.

Yes, that's why I so love that ani. It's two in one. One weapon is destroyed before the lightsabre hits it. The other starts to get cut frames after the lightsabre passed through it.
I think it's quickier to claim that a lightsabre is a whip or something, and the visible part is just a luminous pole made to distract the enemy's attention.

[Jedi Master Spock]

Actually, re: the OP picture... didn't someone say that most of the perfectly round flashes were actually flak bursts, rather than an asteroids?

[Mike DiCenso]

I pointed out in another thread that the so-called vaporized asteroids during the Falcon/Avenger chase were actually flack bursts since we see no asteroids whatsoever before the TLs supposedly flash, then red-sparkle, and most of the time they occur it is after visuals and dialog indicate that the two ships have left the asteroid field.

As to how spherical the inital phase of the flack burst is, they seem to be fairly spherical in ANH for the Type-I ISD TLs, but are more irregular in shape, and make that aforementioned "red sparkle" effect from Type-II ISD TLs.
-Mike

[Mr. Oragahn]

Actually, re: the OP picture... didn't someone say that most of the perfectly round flashes were actually flak bursts, rather than an asteroids?

Well, the ISD did vape a few asteroids. They were not as big as they like to pretend - based on beam width and not lenght.

On the other hand, there's quite several cases where flak occurs with no visible bolt around, or with the bolt going on.

You know, the ion marker was not the worst of the idea either. It was the closest thing you had in comparison to WWII flak artillery.

Zahn, I think, had snipers using rifles which fired invisible bolts, which was said to be something hard to do, or so.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Since apparently our friend Poe has a few issues to understand things a tad simple, and since there seems to be no smart soul at SDN to give him a clue, let me explain:

Why is is that more often than not lately, the Spacebattles forums are down when I try to access them? Anyway, as to Mr Ora-"I know Robert Brown!!":



And...what does this prove? That a pencil-thin lightsaber cleanly cuts through a gun barrel, then you see a reaction from the vaporized metal a half-second later? Boy, we don't see THAT kind of reaction in RL, do we?

Flash news: No, we don't.

Much contrary to the EU and prequels, when a lightsaber cuts through a piece of metal, the metal is immediately affected.
In the animation, we can see two frames after the lightsaber has struck, where the gun's cannon is left totally unaffected. No mark, nothing.

Even better. The other gun, held by the other, bad guy, is damaged several frames before the lightsaber has struck.

But I guess it was just too obvious for this bunch of perfectly honest people to get it.

What's spectacular is what follows:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4TiiNhehzA

Oops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9kVhtpfLmw

Oops again.

Yes. I think "oops" is precisely what we're looking for here.

Or am I the only one not seeing the point of videos that even replay in slowmo, and one even backwards (just in case you didn't get it), and precisely show that both the bottle and the tomato precisely get immediately damaged from the moment the sword goes through them?

Now what do you think would happen if instead of a katana, we had a lightsaber? Well, sure, the video would probably look even better, but the transition to a lightsaber would not suddenly translate into "delayed heat transfer", y'know.

Really. How can this be even relevant to a lightsaber that goes through a cannon and comes out of it, leaving the cannon completely unaffected for several frames, and destroys one before it has even reached it, because of a glitch combo?
Guess someone should understand the concept of overdone "katana slash cliché", and concentrate a bit more on the brainZ side of life.

EDIT: Anyone note that in SFJ's gif above, the particles of molten metal fly in the direction the lightsaber traveled, instead of straight up or anywhere else?

Fortunately, Necronlord is able to educate Mr. Poe on simple matters about wind and such. Duh. Poe's observation skills never stop to amaze me. :|

[watchdog]

What, they didin't have anything to say about my pic? Figures. :D

[Mr. Oragahn]

What, they didin't have anything to say about my pic? Figures. :D

Trouble is that it's only a comic, and they'd be quick to say that the superior canon is right. That is, actually, a logic I agree with, but it's unfortunate that they don't apply it when it comes to the ICS.

[Jedi Master Spock]

Actually, two comic book illustrations are quite commonly used by those you are aiming yours at to support ICS figures for shields (ISDs colliding with the Executor) and firepower (Star Destroyers attacking a moon.)

[Mr. Oragahn]

Does not mean they're using it properly.

They immediately assume a perfectly newtonian, or even relativistic amount of kinetic energy, assume that level of energy present when hitting the ship, while we know that when going into hyperspace or when coming out of hyperspace, the ships are "sucked" or "spat".
The reasoning behind the uber shields is the same recently used by Connor MacLeod, with a straight face, to calc god knows how many millions of g for star destroyers.

Of course, on SDN, no one really much objected safe one person I think, and it was quite tame.

It is rather obvious that some other fantasy physics are at play. Ships don't go from zero to near c within a minuscule picofraction of second with sublight engines.

Besides, we don't even know how fast the ships were going and if they had exited hyperspace since only a fraction of a second.
We've seen how these ships suck at cornering.

Nor do I see why ships would even be flying at relativistic speeds.

Besides, there's also the fact that comics authors can take a certain amount of artistic liberty.

There's also those yellow streaks. If we have to nitpick, the engines' ejecta is blue, we shouldn't see their light when seen from that angle (pure profile) and such ships don't leave thick trails.

The other, what is it? That picture of a Victory blasting holes in a yellow potato that's far from being even remotely spherical?