After E7, a new Incredible Cross Sections book?

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Re: After E7, a new Incredible Cross Sections book?

Post by 359 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:54 pm

As I understand it the novelizations are no longer canon, for better or for worse, nor is material from the starters.com database. Only material that has been released 'officially' after April 2014, plus the movies, TCW, and Rebels is considered canon.

So in this case our only 'true' source for reactor composition would be from the Ep7:ICS.

This is becoming a discussion for somewhere else...

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Re: After E7, a new Incredible Cross Sections book?

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:59 pm

Pheonix wrote:
Mike DiCenso wrote:According to DK's U.S. website there is one. Best of all, no Curtis Saxton authorship, and no over-inflated power generation and weapons numbers.
No numbers, but I'm not sure what you make of "inflation". One passage describes turbolasers powerful enough to crack planetary cores. These are the "largest" turbolasers, so perhaps reference to a components of a superlaser. In EU terms, this is pretty high end even for something like the Eclipse.
It would be hard to tell without more details, what these weapons are supposed to be, but in general, turbolaser's a term that has seldom been used to describe anything ranging beyond the rather conventional artillery piece mounted on warships or militarized heavy freighters.
Looks like the power creep makes a return.
It also describes "hypermatter annihlation cores" powering larger star ships. These power cores are supported by fusion reactors and other power sources.
Well, then you have it. This was a pure saxtonian invention. The older ICS only mentioned hypermatter for the DSI, nothing else, and never hinted at annihilation being the process used to produce power.
It seems the writer picked all ICSes and didn't look much further; he couldn't be blamed really, especially if he's in for the paycheck and likes cool terms.
I haven't brought the book, but was sent those snippets, so maybe it is conservative elsewhere, but Wookiepedia also EP7ICS when it describes a First Order star destroyer as having enough firepower to reduce a planetary surface molten.
Saxtonian right there too. Can't wait to see those guns in action in the movies (or the shows).

So basically this "new" EU has rebooted a dispute that flared almost fifteen years. Geez.

What have they done??? :D

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Re: After E7, a new Incredible Cross Sections book?

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:02 am

Khas wrote:We also know (from StarWars.com), that the Finalizer and other First Order Star Destroyers use kyber crystals to make their turbolasers more powerful than Imperial turbolasers. Given that kyber crystals are attuned to the Force, it's possible that these high-end turbolasers use the Force to become such ridiculously powerful. Not to mention that SW.com also more or less says that kyber crystals were used in the construction of the Death Star's superlaser.
Now that does make a difference!
Also, haven't the newest piece of Disney-era products mentioned those crystals being used for lightsabres? Or was it just after the buyout?

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Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:06 am

Moff Tarquin wrote:As to reactor technology, we know for a fact from the ROTS novelization that "fusion furnaces" powered "everything from starships to Podracers" as of the Clone Wars era. If hypermatter reactors are powering large starships as of the First Order's ascendancy, then it stands to reason that the first hypermatter reactors would have been built after the Clone Wars, but before the First Order launched its great attack on the New Republic.

Here's a hypothesis: The huge reactors powering the Death Stars were the first hypermatter reactors, and it took more than thirty years to miniaturize the technology to the point where it could be mounted in a starship.
It's also possible that the DS cores actually were oversized hypermatter cores, the original always having been too big for ships, but perhaps good enough for large space stations.
Outside of improvements made, there would still be severe efficiency limitations in the capacity to downsize such tech.

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Post by 359 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:00 am

Mr. Oragahn wrote:Also, haven't the newest piece of Disney-era products mentioned those crystals being used for lightsabres? Or was it just after the buyout?
It was mentioned in TCW: "A test of Strength" etc..., and at least referred to in REB: "Breaking Ranks" and REB: "Path of the Jedi".

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Re: After E7, a new Incredible Cross Sections book?

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Mr. Oragahn wrote:
Moff Tarquin wrote:As to reactor technology, we know for a fact from the ROTS novelization that "fusion furnaces" powered "everything from starships to Podracers" as of the Clone Wars era. If hypermatter reactors are powering large starships as of the First Order's ascendancy, then it stands to reason that the first hypermatter reactors would have been built after the Clone Wars, but before the First Order launched its great attack on the New Republic.

Here's a hypothesis: The huge reactors powering the Death Stars were the first hypermatter reactors, and it took more than thirty years to miniaturize the technology to the point where it could be mounted in a starship.
It's also possible that the DS cores actually were oversized hypermatter cores, the original always having been too big for ships, but perhaps good enough for large space stations.
Were there any major space stations depicted in TCW? Because the only ones I remember seeing in the movies were the Death Stars. Could be the fact that I haven't seen any of the movies in about three years...
Outside of improvements made, there would still be severe efficiency limitations in the capacity to downsize such tech.
Which is exactly why Imperial star destroyers would never have been able to use such reactors.

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Re: After E7, a new Incredible Cross Sections book?

Post by 359 » Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:36 am

Moff Tarquin wrote:Were there any major space stations depicted in TCW? Because the only ones I remember seeing in the movies were the Death Stars. Could be the fact that I haven't seen any of the movies in about three years...
There was a medical station shown in TCW: "Shadow of Malevolence," a military station hosting a conference in TCW: "Point of no Return," and by far the largest of the group: Ringo Vinda in TCW: "The Unknown". With that last one "encircling a planet," more on that curiosity here.

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Re: After E7, a new Incredible Cross Sections book?

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:08 pm

Moff Tarquin wrote: Were there any major space stations depicted in TCW? Because the only ones I remember seeing in the movies were the Death Stars. Could be the fact that I haven't seen any of the movies in about three years...
I don't think there are that many cases. Even the ring encircling a planet could be relying on a sum of many normal power plants.
Outside of improvements made, there would still be severe efficiency limitations in the capacity to downsize such tech.
Which is exactly why Imperial star destroyers would never have been able to use such reactors.
Nothing indicated that the hypermatter core as mentioned in the OT ICS couldn't be downsized.
In fact, there even was a EU source mentioning a large space station, some kind of precursor to the DS, but certainly far smaller, which was said to have a hypermatter core but would use the ice from comets to find fuel in deep space.
We didn't have to ask ourselves if the Star Destroyers could host annihilation cores, since there was an abundance of sources saying both the Death Star and pretty much all the other ships in SW used fusion cores.
What Saxton did was not only to hijack the hypermatter core and push it onto all power cores on ships past a given tonnage, he made anything hypermatter related to be based on annihilation. And if it wasn't enough, the fuel that was annihilated was hyper dense too. That, only to warrant biggatons which existed only in his mind and those of a few rabid Warsies.
You had knowledgeable people using their skills in the most dishonest way. It's really a miserable joke to see what kind of made up interpretation of SW they had cooked up in their minds. Anyone else would have observed a given material source for what it provided and worked from there. For scientists and engineers, there was much irony in seeing them completely ditch this simple and tried methodology to take a short route and reach conclusions based on hills of denial and fantasies only them could see. Their math wasn't faulty, their premises were. This, if anything, is a very good reminder that people working in hard sciences should never get a free pass when questioned about their objectivity and desire for self-inquisitiveness. Debates were stupid for the most part because of that, massive amounts of time wasted.

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