Second Star Wars Teaser out!

[Mike DiCenso]

The second teaser is out and wow it is a good one!

http://www.space.com/29126-star-wars-ge ... video.html

Some things of great interest:

* A quick shot of a crashed Imperial-class Star Destroyer in what appears to be the sand dunes of Tatooine. The ship appears to be mostly intact.

* Luke is speaking to one of his or Leia's children?

* A new Dark Side user, possibly one of the Imperial Inquisitors.

* The new Stormtroopers in front of a large red banner with a black, previously unseen symbol on it.

* New TIE fighters

* A new class of Star Destroyer

* The Millennium Falcon maneuvering inside the wreckage of a very large spaceship of a class previously unseen, and pretty much imitating what Kirk and company did in Star Trek Into Darkness.

* Han and Chewie inside the Falcon (an awesome recreation of the original interior sets by the look of it!)


So let the rampant speculation begin anew!
-Mike

[2046]

Looks like an upside-down Executor. This may provide an opportunity to see if Pablo Hidalgo's recent scaling effort was put to good use in the Disney canon.

http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars- ... asurements

Also, nice to see that my observation of the TIEs being different (a fact either missed or poo-poohed elsewhere regarding the first teaser's glimpse) has been proven accurate.

[SpacePaladin]

I'm guessing that in order to avoid the headaches and backlash but still go with Pablo's new measurements, they'd just call it a different class of Super Star Destroyer. Han did say there were a lot of command ships.

[2046]

And if anyone protests they can blame it on Star Trek… double win!

"It's a B'rel class Executor on the ground, but Vader's was K'Vort."

[Sothis]

It looks like TFA is going to capture the spirit (or is more likely to capture the spirit) of the original trilogy. I am going to cautiously stick my neck out and say this will be a good movie.

[Mr. Oragahn]

1. Vador's skullified helmet is very clever.

2. Why the hell would you thread your starship into the thruster of a derelict ship. I guess they needed a sign with DEAD END written on it.

3. I'd agree it's really looking like an upside down Executor kind of ship, and it's not necessarily super big either. In fact, right there one could make a dirty scaling by using the Mill's width once it's entered the thruster, and then get said thruster's width and from there get the Executor's size from a reliable shot (if that's an Executor).

4. Why are there so many big imperial ships stuck on this lost dry ball of Tatooine? Looks like when the Empire fell, some serious shit took place on Tat.

5. TIE fighters with WHITE panels. Suck it up solar finners! :D

[Mr. Oragahn]

It looks like TFA is going to capture the spirit (or is more likely to capture the spirit) of the original trilogy. I am going to cautiously stick my neck out and say this will be a good movie.

Huh.
This everything but cautious, you know. :)

[Darth Spock]

2. Why the hell would you thread your starship into the thruster of a derelict ship. I guess they needed a sign with DEAD END written on it.

Glad I'm not the only one who was bothered by that. And assuming it's the same location, why was there a catwalk running across it?

5. TIE fighters with WHITE panels. Suck it up solar finners! :D

Meh, don't like it. Too stormtroopery, I like 'em black. We'll probably get a special chrome one too.

It looks like TFA is going to capture the spirit (or is more likely to capture the spirit) of the original trilogy. I am going to cautiously stick my neck out and say this will be a good movie.

I'm looking forward to it. Although I notice they are very heavily leaning on established visuals, just slightly tweaked. The new Sith looks like he's straight out of the Old Republic games. Latching on to familiar visuals may be good though, fanboy service isn't always a terrible thing. Yeah, I'm psyched!

[Mr. Oragahn]

2. Why the hell would you thread your starship into the thruster of a derelict ship. I guess they needed a sign with DEAD END written on it.

Glad I'm not the only one who was bothered by that. And assuming it's the same location, why was there a catwalk running across it?

Oh yes, that catwalk too. But it was outside of the thrusters, linking two of them. It means whoever pilots the MF got lucky in finding a hole out of the thruster they entered.

5. TIE fighters with WHITE panels. Suck it up solar finners! :D

Meh, don't like it. Too stormtroopery, I like 'em black. We'll probably get a special chrome one too.

In fact it kinda saddens me because it's illogical. It's all in the coolness. The white panels are just too silly.

I'm not super hot on this movie. I know we get such teasers as to draw the largest audience possible, and the huge amount of fan service is totally planned, but things such as white panels on TIEs and the retardosaber really reek off of fanfiction 101.

Oh and the big, bad evil red flag. Why not a little white so the not so clever antifascist poke gets all more obveeeyouuusss?
The only thing red in the Empire was... the crimson guards. Plus some few control panels in the Death Star, and perhaps the colour of the hearts on the stormies' night trousers.

I don't really care about the "bridging" being needed. If it's good, the bridge will build itself. There, it really feels quite forced, like... oh yes, like some random piece of crap EU.

Actually, some 30 years later, I wish the writers and producers had the balls to be actually plain original, rather than servicing us with more stormies and TIE fighters with, literally, a new paint job. And "X-wings". Oh and the tweaked Star Destroyer.
The bad point is that it establishes the enemy is rather very similar. If that's the main protagonist, then it means very few reasons for new designs to be shown in E8 and E9.
Are we going to get variations of A-wings and B-wings, or even slightly altered Y-wings?

I'm afraid the MILKING part of this adventure might be a tad too glaring. Let's also consider the risk of a bitter taste of a movie that may have come 30 years too late.

Aside from Ballee, I can't recall one seriously original design in that rather lengthy teaser.
The biggest change being the imperial shuttle that's just two big wings minus the central fin now, and its rather non descript escorting ships.

Now, some good news (for Disney):

http://factually.gizmodo.com/the-star-w ... 1698757296

[Sideswipe]

I know its just a teaser, but it feels to me like Abrams is doing the same thing that he did with Star Trek. It seems like he is going for style over substance, it doesn't matter if it makes sense as long as it looks cool.

[Lucky]

I know its just a teaser, but it feels to me like Abrams is doing the same thing that he did with Star Trek. It seems like he is going for style over substance, it doesn't matter if it makes sense as long as it looks cool.

Wasn't Star Wars always style over substance?

Plot is very basic.

The stories in Episodes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 kind of falls apart do to plot induced stupidity.

The only thing that set Star wars apart was the eye candy. The eye candy is the only thing about Star wars that really ever set it apart from the pack when the OT first came out.

[Praeothmin]

Aaaaannnddd once again we see the old "Da OT wuzzz da bestest and wuzz da purfoct wizz no plawt oles" rethoric...
This is pure bullshit...
The OT did nothing more than re-hash unoriginal storylines in a flashy, space opera way, but it was still full of plot holes, and wasn't perfect, or even near it...
I for one am sure I'll like the new movie...

[Sideswipe]

Wasn't Star Wars always style over substance?

Plot is very basic.

The stories in Episodes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 kind of falls apart do to plot induced stupidity.

The only thing that set Star wars apart was the eye candy. The eye candy is the only thing about Star wars that really ever set it apart from the pack when the OT first came out.

Sure, but is it to much to ask for if we were to get an interesting story to go with all the visuals?

[Mr. Oragahn]

I know its just a teaser, but it feels to me like Abrams is doing the same thing that he did with Star Trek. It seems like he is going for style over substance, it doesn't matter if it makes sense as long as it looks cool.

Wasn't Star Wars always style over substance?

Plot is very basic.

To his credit, JJA has a decent execution and it matters a lot. But he also certainly gets a lot of credits because the movies he directs have huge budgets for the eye candy. Plots? They tend to be average.
Plus he has the benefit of not having to create the whole canvas, since he uses the foreworks of other people. Star Trek, Star Wars.

The stories in Episodes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 kind of falls apart do to plot induced stupidity.

I recall that source you quoted that attacked several elements of the OT and it was so absurd, not to say easy to counter, that I don't even have to disagree with you because what you say is simply not true, as far as the OT is concerned.
One element that wasn't covered by me or that article you linked to a few months ago at best, was the escape from the Death Star.
It turns out, aside from a few suggestions I'd add, there's a good Reddit thread about that very sequence that largely adresses this apparent plot induced stupidity moment.

The only thing that set Star wars apart was the eye candy.

Well no, it was more than that. It literally pushed filming to a new height by either the looks OR the methods. Star Wars changed the industry so deeply, and for good, far more than Matrix ever did.
The plots, albeit simple (and they don't always need to be convoluted), were executed in a solid way. Lucas took his clues from the best and he could count on fantastic music and wonderful concept art.
This did set the tone for this universe and literally made soft science fiction serious enough.

The eye candy is the only thing about Star wars that really ever set it apart from the pack when the OT first came out.

I'm certain you're eager to test you fantastic theory on boards which are serious enough about movie making.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Aaaaannnddd once again we see the old "Da OT wuzzz da bestest and wuzz da purfoct wizz no plawt oles" rethoric...
This is pure bullshit...
The OT did nothing more than re-hash unoriginal storylines in a flashy, space opera way, but it was still full of plot holes, and wasn't perfect, or even near it...
I for one am sure I'll like the new movie...

Man, chill.
First of all, nobody here has established a hierarchy of what was better versus what stank. Nobody has judged the unreleased movie either... well, you almost did. Which brings me to the second point.
Your stance is quite absurd right now. Your shrillish and fanboyish attitude towards a movie that hasn't been released yet (but I can understand) couldn't even begin to exist or make sense if the original material had not been of superior quality, regardless of your current claims.
Nobody said it was perfect either. But my point stands.
For Trek, JJA could allow recycling the designs and tweaking them because he was filming for a known era. In other words, the Enterprise just had to be recognizable yet different. Say, very different.
But for the teaser, what we see is such a reminder of the worst EU moments and designs.
The plot could be good, it's hard to know at the current time, but there's a tingling sense of microwaved material here. I mean, I can understand a little variation in design of armour and else after 30 years, that would be expected. Some would even say that it would have evolved even more. Hard to tell without knowing the status of the galaxy, of this neo-imperial faction or who's at the top of it.
But things such as the white panelled TIE fighters... that's really cheap. It doesn't even make sense, nor looks good. Same goes with the Sith lightsabre (aka let's try to cram more blades for sheer coolness). There are many bladed weapons which are cool, but not all of them would be nice once translated to a lightsabre form.
Plus, oddly enough, although I usually like the setting, Tatooine is really becoming old hat. Again, reminds me of the worst EU trends where everything would have to happen on that damned sand ball of Tat.
Overall, I'm very weary of the fan service. It feels lazy and I wouldn't have minded the designs to be much more different, with even a new evil faction. In fact, with so many imperial hulks, it would have been a good indication that things had shifted a lot after the fall of the Empire and the massive vacuum created in its wake.
They even manage to make the ROTS-ANH change of designs wider and bolder than the jump from ROTJ to TFA.
It would have been cooler to actually have loyal imperial troops being short on resources and having dumped the most petulant aspects of the Empire to stick to some pragmatic gears, now that Palps has fallen down a big blue shaft.
You'd get the Imperialists using more dirty tricks instead of parading in the open in white shiny armour like if they were still pwning three quarters of a galaxy, one hand tied in the back.
And if they really want to put an even less subtle spin on the fascism/tyranny message, perhaps one day they could also try the red and yellow colour pattern for a change? Because the Nazi imagery is really getting old, it's a cheap card and even has been ridiculed to length with zombies, dinosaurs, UFOs and beam weapons.
Now, if you want to be original and still scare kids, last time I heard, all communist regimes combined really produced their lot of terror, destruction, torture and murder all around the world (to say nothing of wiffing a nice and warm nuclear war by a breathe). There's enough matter to pick from, and it stretched on an even greater period of time.
Really, originality is not what comes to mind with those two teasers. And it has even less reasons to do so with the dude at the helm of this project.
The advantage is that from such a vantage point, there can only be good surprises, right? :)