Star Fleet Uniforms VS Star Wars Blasters

[Lucky]

How effective would a Star Wars style blaster be against a Star Fleet sailor uniform?

Datalore
Dr.Crusher's uniform is lit on fire, but neither she nor her uniform are burnt
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[User15083]

can't be any worse then Leia getting hit.

[2046]

Lore explicitly stated it was a 'small gift' or 'small token' or somesuch, suggesting a low setting of some kind, perhaps even a special one given the unique effect. We seldom see flaming like that even in kill shots. I would presume at the very least a very tight beam intended to deliver such an effect.

Leia's arm hit is characterized by some as an effort to shoot to capture, which is silly given that it wasn't a stun shot and was, given stormtrooper aim, dangerously close to the head. And, as I'll note again for those who might still be trying to mischaracterize my old placeholder page featuring the hit, the camo outfits could've been armorweave a la Dooku's cloak in RotS.

In any case, though, I rather doubt that the standard Starfleet uniform would provide significant protection from blaster fire.

[User15083]

Lore explicitly stated it was a 'small gift' or 'small token' or somesuch, suggesting a low setting of some kind, perhaps even a special one given the unique effect. We seldom see flaming like that even in kill shots. I would presume at the very least a very tight beam intended to deliver such an effect.

Leia's arm hit is characterized by some as an effort to shoot to capture, which is silly given that it wasn't a stun shot and was, given stormtrooper aim, dangerously close to the head. And, as I'll note again for those who might still be trying to mischaracterize my old placeholder page featuring the hit, the camo outfits could've been armorweave a la Dooku's cloak in RotS.

In any case, though, I rather doubt that the standard Starfleet uniform would provide significant protection from blaster fire.

what? where is this that says it was a "small gift" what lore are you talking about? The only lore is the movie that shows it.

[Mike DiCenso]

He's talking about this scene from The Next Generation season one episode "Datalore":


LORE: Back off, or I'll turn your little man into a torch. I promise him exquisite pain unless you obey me too, brother.

CRUSHER: Move away, Data. Please.

LORE: Do you see now the advantages of being completely human? It includes kindness. I give you your life, Doctor. Go home. Quickly. And I may not injure your son at all.

DATA: I will stay with Wesley, Doctor.

LORE: Go! Or he'll be shrieking by the count of five. One, two, three, four

(Crusher runs for it)

LORE: Thank you for my human quality, Doctor Soong. Wait! A small payment for your son's misdeeds.

(Lore shoots Beverly in the arm. Data jumps Lore and they fight across the cargo bay, sending barrels and containers flying)

Lore does change the settings on the phaser before he shoots at Beverly Crusher, and this screencap gives an indication of the effects:



You can see not only sparks and smoke, but that her arm (more like her uniform) in the vicinity of the hit is on fire. Whether this compares or not to Leia's upper arm hit is another matter, especially if there is nanoweave silk involved there, or if that sort of thing is very hard to come by, even for a Rebel commando team.
-Mike

[2046]

From a modern perspective, it does seem unlikely that the concealed-armor cloak of an uber-rich fellow would be the same sort of thing worn by 'terrorists' a couple of decades later. On the other hand, given the camo pattern and whatnot, they were hardly wearing fashionable attire, and usually the tactical stuff is cheaper.

Compare http://www.bulletblocker.com/bullet-proof-clothing.html with bog-standard tactical gear.

In any case, it is a canon-based explanation, even if a bit of a stretch.

[Lucky]

He's talking about this scene from The Next Generation season one episode "Datalore":


LORE: Back off, or I'll turn your little man into a torch. I promise him exquisite pain unless you obey me too, brother.

CRUSHER: Move away, Data. Please.

LORE: Do you see now the advantages of being completely human? It includes kindness. I give you your life, Doctor. Go home. Quickly. And I may not injure your son at all.

DATA: I will stay with Wesley, Doctor.

LORE: Go! Or he'll be shrieking by the count of five. One, two, three, four

(Crusher runs for it)

LORE: Thank you for my human quality, Doctor Soong. Wait! A small payment for your son's misdeeds.

(Lore shoots Beverly in the arm. Data jumps Lore and they fight across the cargo bay, sending barrels and containers flying)

Lore does change the settings on the phaser before he shoots at Beverly Crusher, and this screencap gives an indication of the effects:



You can see not only sparks and smoke, but that her arm (more like her uniform) in the vicinity of the hit is on fire. Whether this compares or not to Leia's upper arm hit is another matter, especially if there is nanoweave silk involved there, or if that sort of thing is very hard to come by, even for a Rebel commando team.
-Mike

You can see Crusher's arm literally on fire as she runs out the door here:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x13/ ... hd_476.jpg

Then you see here minutes later unhurt here:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x13/ ... hd_497.jpg

It's possible she changed her top, but I don't think she had time to get a burn treated.

[Lucky]

Lore explicitly stated it was a 'small gift' or 'small token' or somesuch, suggesting a low setting of some kind, perhaps even a special one given the unique effect. We seldom see flaming like that even in kill shots. I would presume at the very least a very tight beam intended to deliver such an effect.

Leia's arm hit is characterized by some as an effort to shoot to capture, which is silly given that it wasn't a stun shot and was, given stormtrooper aim, dangerously close to the head. And, as I'll note again for those who might still be trying to mischaracterize my old placeholder page featuring the hit, the camo outfits could've been armorweave a la Dooku's cloak in RotS.

In any case, though, I rather doubt that the standard Starfleet uniform would provide significant protection from blaster fire.

And what about Luke's hand in Return of the Jedi? the fake skin gets blaster off, but the sensitive electronics are undamaged?

[2046]

Ooh, good point.

From the RotJ novelization:

"Luke looked at his hand; the mechanism was exposed - the complex steel-and-circuit construction that replaced his real hand, which Vader had cut off in their last encounter. He flexed the mechanism; it still worked."

So there's another blaster shot that didn't do a great deal to steel. I mean, for touch and sensation we can presume there was circuitry and whatnot in the skin rather than just a 'dumb' rubbery coating, but still.

Good thought.

[Trinoya]

Starfleet uniforms appear more enviromental based as far as defense goes. We regularly see people get plasma to the face but the uniforms are fine, we see Chakotay jump over lava, we see a voyager era uniform still recoverable years after the poor crewman had died.

It makes sense considering the hazards of space.

[Mike DiCenso]

He's talking about this scene from The Next Generation season one episode "Datalore":


LORE: Back off, or I'll turn your little man into a torch. I promise him exquisite pain unless you obey me too, brother.

CRUSHER: Move away, Data. Please.

LORE: Do you see now the advantages of being completely human? It includes kindness. I give you your life, Doctor. Go home. Quickly. And I may not injure your son at all.

DATA: I will stay with Wesley, Doctor.

LORE: Go! Or he'll be shrieking by the count of five. One, two, three, four

(Crusher runs for it)

LORE: Thank you for my human quality, Doctor Soong. Wait! A small payment for your son's misdeeds.

(Lore shoots Beverly in the arm. Data jumps Lore and they fight across the cargo bay, sending barrels and containers flying)

Lore does change the settings on the phaser before he shoots at Beverly Crusher, and this screencap gives an indication of the effects:



You can see not only sparks and smoke, but that her arm (more like her uniform) in the vicinity of the hit is on fire. Whether this compares or not to Leia's upper arm hit is another matter, especially if there is nanoweave silk involved there, or if that sort of thing is very hard to come by, even for a Rebel commando team.
-Mike

You can see Crusher's arm literally on fire as she runs out the door here:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x13/ ... hd_476.jpg

Then you see here minutes later unhurt here:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x13/ ... hd_497.jpg

It's possible she changed her top, but I don't think she had time to get a burn treated.

Um no, you can clearly see the burn mark on her shoulder, and just to point out, when she was shot, she was wearing that blue medical jacket, so the phaser hit not only burned the jacket material, but the uniform shirt underneath it:

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x13/ ... hd_468.jpg

So whatever Lore set the phaser to, it was enough to set fire to both sets of clothing in the immediate area of the hit and possibly burn her skin beyond that since the burn appears to have some depth to it as well.
-Mike

[Mr. Oragahn]

From a modern perspective, it does seem unlikely that the concealed-armor cloak of an uber-rich fellow would be the same sort of thing worn by 'terrorists' a couple of decades later. On the other hand, given the camo pattern and whatnot, they were hardly wearing fashionable attire, and usually the tactical stuff is cheaper.

Compare http://www.bulletblocker.com/bullet-proof-clothing.html with bog-standard tactical gear.

In any case, it is a canon-based explanation, even if a bit of a stretch.

KICKASS!

[Lucky]

Um no, you can clearly see the burn mark on her shoulder, and just to point out, when she was shot, she was wearing that blue medical jacket, so the phaser hit not only burned the jacket material, but the uniform shirt underneath it:

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x13/ ... hd_468.jpg

So whatever Lore set the phaser to, it was enough to set fire to both sets of clothing in the immediate area of the hit and possibly burn her skin beyond that since the burn appears to have some depth to it as well.
-Mike

What burn on her uniform?

[2046]

The uniform charring visible on the 4th screencap from the opening post.

I seem to recall "Pathways" having an explicit mention of the flame-retardant properties of uniforms, but I don't see it right now, and after looking on my page on Pathways and being reminded of how bad it was I can't seem to gather the will to look in it right now.

[Lucky]

The uniform charring visible on the 4th screencap from the opening post.

I honestly don't see it, and I'm the one who won't the OP.