A unified subspace field theory

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theta_pinch
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A unified subspace field theory

Post by theta_pinch » Thu May 08, 2014 1:56 am

I've finally discovered how subspace fields and the Enterprise's super anti-matter work with one theory.

So the basis of the technology is the higher speed of light in subspace (as shown with subspace communication).

In both cases it is explained by E=Mc^2. In the case of mass lightening the mass is obtained with M=(the square root of)E/C. With the speed of light being greater that translates to much less mass.

In the case of super-anti matter to find the released energy we use E=Mc^2 with the higher speed of light you get a far larger amount of energy than normal. The subspace field in this theory is created by the dilithium crystal when set under the conditions of the warp core.

(and that was a.very akward ending:)

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Re: A unified subspace field theory

Post by Lucky » Fri May 09, 2014 3:39 pm

theta_pinch wrote: I've finally discovered how subspace fields and the Enterprise's super anti-matter work with one theory.

So the basis of the technology is the higher speed of light in subspace (as shown with subspace communication).

In both cases it is explained by E=Mc^2. In the case of mass lightening the mass is obtained with M=(the square root of)E/C. With the speed of light being greater that translates to much less mass.

In the case of super-anti matter to find the released energy we use E=Mc^2 with the higher speed of light you get a far larger amount of energy than normal. The subspace field in this theory is created by the dilithium crystal when set under the conditions of the warp core.

(and that was a.very akward ending:)
First off, you may want to take a look as to what Subspace is in the real world
It seems as if there isn't a single clear definition as to what subspace is or there would only be a single page on subspace.


In Star Trek it would seem they often use the term "subspace" when talking about extra dimensions similarly to those found in M-Theory, but they also seem to use the term subspace to seemingly talk about a sort of "bag of holding" type pockets or bubbles, and sometimes both at the same time.

All that's known is that when exposed to the proper amount of heat and pressure, dilithium acts very much like quartz, and releases insane amounts of energy.

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One should not confuse "Subspace" with alternate time lines/universes as shown in the episode Parallels and many other episodes as those are examples of the "Many-worlds interpretation".

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Re: A unified subspace field theory

Post by theta_pinch » Fri May 09, 2014 6:23 pm

Lucky wrote:
theta_pinch wrote: I've finally discovered how subspace fields and the Enterprise's super anti-matter work with one theory.

So the basis of the technology is the higher speed of light in subspace (as shown with subspace communication).

In both cases it is explained by E=Mc^2. In the case of mass lightening the mass is obtained with M=(the square root of)E/C. With the speed of light being greater that translates to much less mass.

In the case of super-anti matter to find the released energy we use E=Mc^2 with the higher speed of light you get a far larger amount of energy than normal. The subspace field in this theory is created by the dilithium crystal when set under the conditions of the warp core.

(and that was a.very akward ending:)
First off, you may want to take a look as to what Subspace is in the real world
It seems as if there isn't a single clear definition as to what subspace is or there would only be a single page on subspace.
I was talking star trek subspace.
In Star Trek it would seem they often use the term "subspace" when talking about extra dimensions similarly to those found in M-Theory, but they also seem to use the term subspace to seemingly talk about a sort of "bag of holding" type pockets or bubbles, and sometimes both at the same time.

All that's known is that when exposed to the proper amount of heat and pressure, dilithium acts very much like quartz, and releases insane amounts of energy.
Actually: GEORDI: There's a subspace resonance
signature coming from this
asteroid.

And from the frequency variances,
it looks like the pattern from a
Federation warp core.

This would seem to support my theory that the warp core uses a subspace field to increase output. Due to the speed of light in subspace being different it's a given that the energy released will be greater, and since it must have a subspace field to have a subspace resonance signature, the simplest theory is that the Dilithium crystal is producing it and releasing insane amounts of energy due to it. Note: subspace from a trek perspective.
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One should not confuse "Subspace" with alternate time lines/universes as shown in the episode Parallels and many other episodes as those are examples of the "Many-worlds interpretation".

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Re: A unified subspace field theory

Post by Lucky » Fri May 30, 2014 11:13 pm

theta_pinch wrote: I was talking star trek subspace.
Which is inspired by real world subspace, and ill defined in the series. If they didn't intend for Subspace in Star Trek to at least be something similar to the real world thing the they would not have used a real world term to describe it.

The real world version may be different, but it can't just be ignored.

theta_pinch wrote: Actually: GEORDI: There's a subspace resonance
signature coming from this
asteroid.

And from the frequency variances,
it looks like the pattern from a
Federation warp core.

This would seem to support my theory that the warp core uses a subspace field to increase output. Due to the speed of light in subspace being different it's a given that the energy released will be greater, and since it must have a subspace field to have a subspace resonance signature, the simplest theory is that the Dilithium crystal is producing it and releasing insane amounts of energy due to it. Note: subspace from a trek perspective.
The world resonance is rather vague, and could easily be a side effect of the warpcore rather then intent.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/resonance

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Re: A unified subspace field theory

Post by theta_pinch » Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:01 pm

Lucky wrote:
theta_pinch wrote: I was talking star trek subspace.
Which is inspired by real world subspace, and ill defined in the series. If they didn't intend for Subspace in Star Trek to at least be something similar to the real world thing the they would not have used a real world term to describe it.

The real world version may be different, but it can't just be ignored
Actually they probably would use the word subspace even if it had nothing to do with real life subspace which it doesn't. Science fiction writers often choose sciency buzzwords even if it has nothing to do with the original meaning; that's where we got the positronic brain.

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Re: A unified subspace field theory

Post by Picard » Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:22 pm

theta_pinch wrote:
Lucky wrote:
theta_pinch wrote: I was talking star trek subspace.
Which is inspired by real world subspace, and ill defined in the series. If they didn't intend for Subspace in Star Trek to at least be something similar to the real world thing the they would not have used a real world term to describe it.

The real world version may be different, but it can't just be ignored
Actually they probably would use the word subspace even if it had nothing to do with real life subspace which it doesn't. Science fiction writers often choose sciency buzzwords even if it has nothing to do with the original meaning; that's where we got the positronic brain.
I'm just waiting for antimatter food... but yeah, TOS wasn't that bad about it, but as Trek progressed it went deeper and deeper into technobabble mud.
I've finally discovered how subspace fields and the Enterprise's super anti-matter work with one theory.

So the basis of the technology is the higher speed of light in subspace (as shown with subspace communication).

In both cases it is explained by E=Mc^2. In the case of mass lightening the mass is obtained with M=(the square root of)E/C. With the speed of light being greater that translates to much less mass.

In the case of super-anti matter to find the released energy we use E=Mc^2 with the higher speed of light you get a far larger amount of energy than normal. The subspace field in this theory is created by the dilithium crystal when set under the conditions of the warp core.
Nice theory. Though it may be possible that they use something like this too:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 181356.htm

Or a combination of two. Imagine how much energy a cubic cm of stuff could create if the equation was adjusted to E=mc^3.

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Re: A unified subspace field theory

Post by Lucky » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:13 am

theta_pinch wrote: I was talking star trek subspace.
Lucky wrote:Which is inspired by real world subspace, and ill defined in the series. If they didn't intend for Subspace in Star Trek to at least be something similar to the real world thing the they would not have used a real world term to describe it.

The real world version may be different, but it can't just be ignored
theta_pinch wrote: Actually they probably would use the word subspace even if it had nothing to do with real life subspace which it doesn't. Science fiction writers often choose sciency buzzwords even if it has nothing to do with the original meaning; that's where we got the positronic brain.
TNG and DS9 at least try to have technobabble actual mean something normally.

Data's nervous system uses positrons for something.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Po ... c_link.jpg

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