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The Galactic Empire has discovered a wormhole leading to the edge of the star trek galaxy. Realizing that on the other side was a new Galaxy to be conquered by the Galactic Empire the Galactic Empire starts invading leading to an all out war with the United Federation of Planets. Who wins?

After initial gains in the imediate area surrounding the wormhole the Empire comes to a crashing halt, needing new hyperspace lanes to be charted. I'm presuming this wormhole leads to federation space rather than somewhere else in the galaxy. The response in a mapped section of space should be fairly swift. Going by the most recent known technology the 24th federation has they should be more than capable of mounting an offensive, having extremely long range transporter technology at their disposal.

Once they get to the wormhole it should be trivial to utilize self replicating mines to seal her up tight.

Then the federation tries to go through the wormhole only to discover it is an equal impossibility due to not having any clue where they would need to go as well and it likely having already been mined.

End result: Federation repels invaders, but is unable to make any significant gains beyond that. Peace and trade will ultimately win the day.

How large is that wormhole?
I mean, the Death Star might get stuck inside and unwittingly serve as the first interdimensionnal trade port.

Trinoya wrote:After initial gains in the imediate area surrounding the wormhole the Empire comes to a crashing halt, needing new hyperspace lanes to be charted. I'm presuming this wormhole leads to federation space rather than somewhere else in the galaxy. The response in a mapped section of space should be fairly swift. Going by the most recent known technology the 24th federation has they should be more than capable of mounting an offensive, having extremely long range transporter technology at their disposal.

Once they get to the wormhole it should be trivial to utilize self replicating mines to seal her up tight.

Then the federation tries to go through the wormhole only to discover it is an equal impossibility due to not having any clue where they would need to go as well and it likely having already been mined.

End result: Federation repels invaders, but is unable to make any significant gains beyond that. Peace and trade will ultimately win the day.

End result, they try to buy each other's tech and once both sides are more even, the Empire wins by sheer volume superiority.
The Empire gets rid of those mines by simply spamming the entire region with clouds of crap-droids or anything similar until the path is clear and no mines are left or reproduce fast enough to seal the gap.
Meanwhile if the UFP starts to get trigger happy with their one-shotsuper toys, the Empire might well reduce the size of the Death Star and build more of them instead. Not to say that the implementation of some UFP tech and tech from its allies or enemies obtained on the black market are surely going to seriously halt the UFP. Meanwhile the Empire's best technologies are hardly shared at all and what you find on the black market is inferior and not going to make a huge difference in the end.

Mr. Oragahn wrote:How large is that wormhole?
I mean, the Death Star might get stuck inside and unwittingly serve as the first interdimensionnal trade port.

Probably around the size of the bajoran wormhole.

Mr. Oragahn wrote:

Trinoya wrote:After initial gains in the imediate area surrounding the wormhole the Empire comes to a crashing halt, needing new hyperspace lanes to be charted. I'm presuming this wormhole leads to federation space rather than somewhere else in the galaxy. The response in a mapped section of space should be fairly swift. Going by the most recent known technology the 24th federation has they should be more than capable of mounting an offensive, having extremely long range transporter technology at their disposal.

Once they get to the wormhole it should be trivial to utilize self replicating mines to seal her up tight.

Then the federation tries to go through the wormhole only to discover it is an equal impossibility due to not having any clue where they would need to go as well and it likely having already been mined.

End result: Federation repels invaders, but is unable to make any significant gains beyond that. Peace and trade will ultimately win the day.

End result, they try to buy each other's tech and once both sides are more even, the Empire wins by sheer volume superiority.
The Empire gets rid of those mines by simply spamming the entire region with clouds of crap-droids or anything similar until the path is clear and no mines are left or reproduce fast enough to seal the gap.
Meanwhile if the UFP starts to get trigger happy with their one-shotsuper toys, the Empire might well reduce the size of the Death Star and build more of them instead. Not to say that the implementation of some UFP tech and tech from its allies or enemies obtained on the black market are surely going to seriously halt the UFP. Meanwhile the Empire's best technologies are hardly shared at all and what you find on the black market is inferior and not going to make a huge difference in the end.

Naturally if the fed gives them all their best goodies then yeah, the Empire steam rolls them. One would hope they wouldn't trade their critical advantages away until the Empire collapses at the very least.

Trinoya wrote:

Mr. Oragahn wrote:

Trinoya wrote:After initial gains in the imediate area surrounding the wormhole the Empire comes to a crashing halt, needing new hyperspace lanes to be charted. I'm presuming this wormhole leads to federation space rather than somewhere else in the galaxy. The response in a mapped section of space should be fairly swift. Going by the most recent known technology the 24th federation has they should be more than capable of mounting an offensive, having extremely long range transporter technology at their disposal.

Once they get to the wormhole it should be trivial to utilize self replicating mines to seal her up tight.

Then the federation tries to go through the wormhole only to discover it is an equal impossibility due to not having any clue where they would need to go as well and it likely having already been mined.

End result: Federation repels invaders, but is unable to make any significant gains beyond that. Peace and trade will ultimately win the day.

End result, they try to buy each other's tech and once both sides are more even, the Empire wins by sheer volume superiority.
The Empire gets rid of those mines by simply spamming the entire region with clouds of crap-droids or anything similar until the path is clear and no mines are left or reproduce fast enough to seal the gap.
Meanwhile if the UFP starts to get trigger happy with their one-shotsuper toys, the Empire might well reduce the size of the Death Star and build more of them instead. Not to say that the implementation of some UFP tech and tech from its allies or enemies obtained on the black market are surely going to seriously halt the UFP. Meanwhile the Empire's best technologies are hardly shared at all and what you find on the black market is inferior and not going to make a huge difference in the end.

Naturally if the fed gives them all their best goodies then yeah, the Empire steam rolls them. One would hope they wouldn't trade their critical advantages away until the Empire collapses at the very least.

The UFP isn't the unique group selling crap in that region of space, are they?
What about its enemies or even the Ferengi, who wouldn't refuse a substantial profit?

Trinoya wrote:

Mr. Oragahn wrote:

Trinoya wrote:
End result, they try to buy each other's tech and once both sides are more even, the Empire wins by sheer volume superiority.
The Empire gets rid of those mines by simply spamming the entire region with clouds of crap-droids or anything similar until the path is clear and no mines are left or reproduce fast enough to seal the gap.
Meanwhile if the UFP starts to get trigger happy with their one-shotsuper toys, the Empire might well reduce the size of the Death Star and build more of them instead. Not to say that the implementation of some UFP tech and tech from its allies or enemies obtained on the black market are surely going to seriously halt the UFP. Meanwhile the Empire's best technologies are hardly shared at all and what you find on the black market is inferior and not going to make a huge difference in the end.

Naturally if the fed gives them all their best goodies then yeah, the Empire steam rolls them. One would hope they wouldn't trade their critical advantages away until the Empire collapses at the very least.

The UFP isn't the unique group selling crap in that region of space, are they?
What about its enemies or even the Ferengi, who wouldn't refuse a substantial profit?

Even the Ferengi probably wouldn't let themselves get conquered and oppressed by the Empire for a few bars of latinum.

More so because they don't have all the best toys, and they are the new not greedy empire as far as we know by the most recent point in the prime timeline.

theta_pinch wrote: Even the Ferengi probably wouldn't let themselves get conquered and oppressed by the Empire for a few bars of latinum.

The Empire does not need to entirely close the gap either. Getting the relatively popular version of each mainstream piece of technology in Trek wouldn't be hard to acquire. Shields, warp, phasers, torps, hull construction plus the shared knowledge on hte equivalent of a United Nations databanks, or even some kind of UFP Interweb.
In a time of peace (Empire is lying), human imperial loyalists from SW can be planted inside the UFP, go up and acquire tech. Get into academies, sience centers and all that.
Any data obtained from there is a clear gain.
Trek would probably attempt the same, but the Empire is certainly going to be less open about certain elements, because it's still an Empire at its heart. By default, despite the UFP's dirty secrets, that makes the Empire not so friendly and easy to get. The hormwhole will have changed things on both sides, and Rebels would have not gotten their best chance to take down the Emperor and his Death Star. After all, the fall of the Empire hinged on a very specific series of events.
Now if the UFP and the Empire are at peace, then it means the Empire is still there, either having destroyed the Rebels or still fighting them to some degree. Because of the peace treaty, Rebels can't get much help and since they're not a super power, they can't even play geopolitical games by having some other faction harass the Empire on their discrete behalf; they simply don't have the resources for that.
The story remains relatively the same regarding the enemies of the Empire: strike a deal with the Rebels and give them enough edge so they can go right for the Emperor and behead his politicial structure. That's the best way for it to crumble... but that's also risky because diverging from the movies' chain of events means you lower the chances of also getting rid of Vader. If this guy inherits the Empire, you're most likely dealing with a more brutal individual who knows war better than Palpatine, who has tons of experience and who will certainly perpetuate the Sith's rule of two. Not being obsessed with Death Stars and being particularly resourceful on a tactical standpoint, you actually put someone much more efficient at the head of the Empire.
Death Star? He'll probably be the first one to actually downsize them so they become tactically relevant and will most likely recycle a large amount of resources into enhancing the navy, much to the pleasure of many military leaders. If anything, and as odd as it may sound, he might even be more capable to find a ground of appeasement with the Rebels than the mad Palpatine ever was.
The reason the Emperor lost was because Luke met both Sith, and no one was in his way to this moment to happen. But with the introduction of new factions from another universe, things will get really, really messy, if not for the fact that a potential ally outside (the UFP) will not make Luke think he has to face the Emperor to pull the entire structure down. And would he do that (assuming the Rebels and the UFP don't intrude in those plans), the chances of the Emperor being attacked while he's with his accolyte would be lower.
The UFP can always give the Rebels some end-of-the-world tech of the week and hope to make an alpha strike against Coruscant, but I doubt any of those two factions would be ready to deploy a device that would treaten the lives of trillions of innocents just to get one crazy loon, who may or may not be in the palace or whatever place he may wish to be at at any given time.
No matter what, the galaxy as a whole would certainly never forgive that. You may take down the entire Empire (or not, especially if you miss Vader), but whatever comes out of this is going to be very revengeful.
So being the UFP, I would never attempt establishing any peaceful relations. I would, at best, try to keep the Empire neutral and above all prevent any intrusion of any Warsian craft into the Trek reality. I'd mine and barricade the wormhole entry point like hell.
Mines, plus more mines plus fortresses, stations, fleets and more. Outside and inside the wormhole.
The Empire shall not pass.

Mr. Oragahn wrote:Mines, plus more mines plus fortresses, stations, fleets and more. Outside and inside the wormhole.
The Empire shall not pass.

This. Just what Federation did with the Dominion. That being said, Section 31 certainly won't stand still... what would they do?

If the wormhole opened up near coruscant the Federation could bombard the surface and deal a major blow to the Empire.

theta_pinch wrote:If the wormhole opened up near coruscant the Federation could bombard the surface and deal a major blow to the Empire.

Huh, sounds more like a silly scenario. Same as if the wormhole opens above Earth, goodbye?
Besides, I'm pretty sure that Coruscant is not essential to the Empire, and any attack on the planet is surely going to put a lot of people on the side of the Empire. Propaganda will only be the cherry on top.

Mr. Oragahn wrote:

theta_pinch wrote:If the wormhole opened up near coruscant the Federation could bombard the surface and deal a major blow to the Empire.

Huh, sounds more like a silly scenario. Same as if the wormhole opens above Earth, goodbye?
Besides, I'm pretty sure that Coruscant is not essential to the Empire, and any attack on the planet is surely going to put a lot of people on the side of the Empire. Propaganda will only be the cherry on top.

No not that close. Around the distance the wormhole appeared away from earth, right inside the federation.

Battle strategy for Federation:

In every battle maintain a distance of 10000 to 30000 kilometers(this should be easy for the UFP). Fire phasers and photon torpedoes, since star wars ships normally only use ray shields which are EM based during battle and phasers are electrically neutral and ray shields don't stop torpedoes (A New Hope), the Empire will be defenseless and their ships will get destroyed very swiftly.