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Wormhole generation to determine reactor output?

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:02 am
by Lucky
Would it be possible to use the examples of starships creating wormholes in order to to get an idea of the output of the starship's reactor in Star Trek?

If so how would it be done?

What problems with this idea are there?

Re: Wormhole generation to determine reactor output?

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:00 am
by 359
I'm not sure we know enough about wormholes to quantify any event involving starship powered wormholes, and on top of that, there are very few instances I can think of which involve such a maneuver. That one with the Defiant and possibly several with Voyager are all that come to mind, and I don't remember if they were specifically powering the wormhole or using something else as well.

Re: Wormhole generation to determine reactor output?

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:48 am
by Lucky
359 wrote: I'm not sure we know enough about wormholes to quantify any event involving starship powered wormholes,
There is only real world theory/math to work with in this case, and to be honest I'm asking because I don't know enough about math.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole
http://physics.aps.org/story/v2/st7
359 wrote: there are very few instances I can think of which involve such a maneuver. That one with the Defiant and possibly several with Voyager are all that come to mind, and I don't remember if they were specifically powering the wormhole or using something else as well.
In Nth Degree the warp nacelles of the Enterprise-D are used to open what seems to be a traversable wormhole through the use of gravity.

.In Scorpion Voyager's navigational deflector is used to manipulate gravity to create a traversable wormhole.

Re: Wormhole generation to determine reactor output?

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:35 pm
by Praeothmin
The problem I see it Technobabble...
They use it too often for us to believe that they simply imput amont X of energy to create a blackhole...
Case in point: The Red Matter from NuTrek...

Re: Wormhole generation to determine reactor output?

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:44 am
by Lucky
Praeothmin wrote: The problem I see it Technobabble...
They use it too often for us to believe that they simply imput amont X of energy to create a blackhole...
Case in point: The Red Matter from NuTrek...
Then you can provide evidence that such is the case in the two examples provided. From what I see, you are using an outlier as the standard.
Nth Degree wrote:WORF: Captain, I am picking up subspace distortion.


PICARD: Mister Data?


DATA: This disturbance is the result of a highly charged graviton field emanating from our warp nacelles. It is creating a severe bias in the subspace continuum.
PICARD: Mister Barclay, are you responsible for this graviton field disturbance?


BARCLAY [OC]: Yes, sir, I'm altering subspace in a way that's never been conceived of before. I'm fairly certain it will allow us to travel half-way across the galaxy in a matter of only


PICARD: Mister Barclay, I want you to stop this experiment for now.


BARCLAY [OC]: Captain, if you'd only allow me to show


PICARD: Mister Barclay, this is a direct order. Discontinue whatever it is you're doing.


BARCLAY [OC]: I really would rather not, sir. I'm positive that you'll be pleased with the result once I've finished showing


WORF: Audio is disconnected. We may speak freely.


RIKER: How soon before the ODN process is in place?


DATA: I have been monitoring Geordi's progress. It will be operational in seventeen minutes.


TROI: Captain, let me go to the holodeck and try and talk to him.


WORF: Sir, the subspace distortion continues to increase.
Scorpion Part 2 wrote:JANEWAY: We don't know exactly how many vessels are out there. but their space appears to be vast. It includes thousands of solar systems, all Borg. We are no doubt entering the heart of their territory. There's no going around it but there may be a way through it.


CHAKOTAY: Before the probe was disabled, it picked up a narrow corridor of space devoid of Borg activity. We've nicknamed it the Northwest Passage.


TORRES: Unfortunately, the passage is filled with intense gravimetric distortions. probably caused by a string of quantum singularities.


PARIS: Better to ride the rapids than face the hive.


CHAKOTAY: Exactly. We're going to set a course for that corridor. and go into full Tactical Alert. Where do we stand with weapons?


TUVOK: I have reprogrammed the phaser banks to a rotating modulation, but I suspect a Borg vessel will adapt quickly.


CHAKOTAY: We can use every edge. Ensign?


KIM: I've already configured the long-range sensors to scan for transwarp signatures. An early warning system.


CHAKOTAY: Good work. Doctor, how are you coming on the medical front?


EMH: I've analysed every square millimetre of the Borg corpse we recovered three months ago. I'm closer to understanding how their assimilation technology works, and I might be able to create some sort of medical defence.


CHAKOTAY: Redouble your efforts. This is your top priority. Neelix, I doubt we can resupply the ship any time soon.


NEELIX: No problem, sir. I'm working on a plan to extend our food and replicator rations.


JANEWAY: We have to act fast. The Borg have captured one of our probes. they know we're out here. We'll do everything in our power to avoid a direct confrontation. but if and when we do engage the Borg, I'm confident that we'll be ready. I have faith in each and every one of you. Let's do it.

Re: Wormhole generation to determine reactor output?

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:59 pm
by Praeothmin
What proof do we have that Barclay is simply performing a "more power, more distortion" procedure?
Because if he was, they could have simply shut him down by cutting power from the Warp drive...
And why could only Barclay do it, if it was simply a matter of adding power?
Why was only "Super-Brainiac" Barclay able to do it?
Anybody should then be able to, no?

Re: Wormhole generation to determine reactor output?

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:44 pm
by Lucky
Praeothmin wrote: What proof do we have that Barclay is simply performing a "more power, more distortion" procedure?
Because if he was, they could have simply shut him down by cutting power from the Warp drive...
And why could only Barclay do it, if it was simply a matter of adding power?
Why was only "Super-Brainiac" Barclay able to do it?
Anybody should then be able to, no?
Data reading the sensors readout on the console in front of him isn't enough?

Barclay didn't seem to hide what he was doing, he only had the ship sensors to see what he was doing just like Data, and he was limited to the ships systems.

Re: Wormhole generation to determine reactor output?

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:58 pm
by Praeothmin
You haven't answered my question:
If it's simply a question of adding power to get more speeds, than why is only Barclay able to improve Warp?
Why isn't it possible for anyone to simply boost the power output when in Warp to get more speed?
Why was what Barclay doing so special then?

Re: Wormhole generation to determine reactor output?

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:32 am
by Lucky
Praeothmin wrote: You haven't answered my question:
If it's simply a question of adding power to get more speeds, than why is only Barclay able to improve Warp?
Why isn't it possible for anyone to simply boost the power output when in Warp to get more speed?
Why was what Barclay doing so special then?
There is nothing to respond to?

Barclay didn't improve the warp drive. He didn't make the warp drive more powerful. He didn't make the ship go faster. Barclay made a wormhole. The Federation has the technology on their ships needed to make wormholes as standard. It is a matter of programing rather then hardware.

Re: Wormhole generation to determine reactor output?

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:43 pm
by Praeothmin
So technobabble, and you have no answer... Got it!

Re: Wormhole generation to determine reactor output?

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:24 am
by Lucky
Praeothmin wrote: So technobabble, and you have no answer... Got it!
No, technobabble is when the character says some gibberish to explain something.

Re: Wormhole generation to determine reactor output?

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:58 am
by Mith
Lucky wrote:
Praeothmin wrote: You haven't answered my question:
If it's simply a question of adding power to get more speeds, than why is only Barclay able to improve Warp?
Why isn't it possible for anyone to simply boost the power output when in Warp to get more speed?
Why was what Barclay doing so special then?
There is nothing to respond to?

Barclay didn't improve the warp drive. He didn't make the warp drive more powerful. He didn't make the ship go faster. Barclay made a wormhole. The Federation has the technology on their ships needed to make wormholes as standard. It is a matter of programing rather then hardware.
The problem is that he was using the warp drive, which works with subspace physics--the thing that produces an effect that should be impossible for something like the Enterprise D to power with conventional antimatter. It really can't tell us much at all.

Re: Wormhole generation to determine reactor output?

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:55 am
by Lucky
Mith wrote: The problem is that he was using the warp drive, which works with subspace physics--
Evidence please. I've already proven the Nacelles are gravity generators and gravity manipulators.

Mith wrote: the thing that produces an effect that should be impossible for something like the Enterprise D to power with conventional antimatter.
A that uses an ounce of antimatter as reactent in Star Trek will blow off half of an Earth like planet's atmosphere, and Dilithium sitting in a planet's crust can cause it to explode.