Wolf 359 fleet vs. Endor Fleet

Nonamer · Post by **Nonamer** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:04 am

Force sub the Borg cube with the Imperial fleet at Endor at the battle of Wolf 359. This is a fight to the death and there is no FTL allowed. Who wins?

EDIT: No DS2. That may not have been very clear.

AnonymousRedShirtEnsign · Post by **AnonymousRedShirtEnsign** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:35 am

The ship counts are roughly the same. The Empire's finest against a scrounged together last ditch fleet of older Starfleet ships. This one is close, it depends on whether DS2 is there and operational or not. Without DS2 the UFP fleet stands a decent chance, even against the SSD. But DS2 is so damn big that it would take a long time for the UFP fleet to destroy it.

It also depend on what the objective is (who's defending, who's attacking, hold this area, etc.) as it would determine to what extent the Federation ships used their STL speed and maneuverability advantages.

If it were the ST:FC fleet, then they would beat the Imp fleet, with or without DS2.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:33 pm

I kind of agree with some of AnonymousRedShirtEnsign's comments; namely that this fight is a Federation fleet scrounged together in haste versus one that was put together with a great deal of planning ahead of time by the Empire.

Also there doesn't appear to be any clear objective for the fleets other than to pound on each other. Is one fleet fighting to hold a specific region of space, are they just bumping into each other randomly... what?

The Imperial fleet will simply have a volume and tonnage advantage that far outstrips the Federation one, in particular because of the SSD's presence.

So some further clarifications are in order here, I think.
-Mike

Nonamer · Post by **Nonamer** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:38 am

Force sub means "replacement." So instead of a Borg cube attacking Wolf 359, we have the Endor fleet popping out instead. I hope that this is clear now.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:55 am

So, what you're trying to say is that the Federation fleet is assembled at Wolf-359 to stop the Imperial fleet, which is the same size one at Endor, minus the Death Star II?
-Mike

Nonamer · Post by **Nonamer** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:35 am

Yes basically. And for some reason nobody is suprised at this turn of events.

AnonymousRedShirtEnsign · Post by **AnonymousRedShirtEnsign** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:38 am

So basically the Feds are trying to prevent the Imps from getting to Earth by any means necessary. I know there is no local FTL travel, but if the Imperials get past the Federation ships then wouldn't they jump to Earth? Sort of like the battle to retake DS9.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:31 pm

Well, this presents some interesting problems. The Federation fleet isn't equipped with fighters (as it was later in DS9), so the Imperial fleet can just do a mass swarming of the Feds until, allowing the Imps to make the jump to light speed and continue on towards Earth.

If the Federation fleet responds quickly enough, then they might be able to destroy the TIEs as they launch, or just attack the landing bays on the ISDs and SSD to prevent them from launching at all. The Fed ships then close with the Imps, and a big close-range battle ensues (to keep the Imps from just jumping away) ala the Battle of Endor.

At this point it is simply a matter of firepower between the capital ships, with the Imps out-gunning with shear numbers of turbolaser batteries, but possibly individually weaker firepower compared to phasers. Also, the Fed fleet has to pound away at vastly larger and more armored ships, too. So I could see this one going either way.
-Mike

AnonymousRedShirtEnsign · Post by **AnonymousRedShirtEnsign** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:02 am

TIEs aren't worth squat. And since when are ISD hulls tougher, or more armored than federation hull? Also, is there any proof that SW shields can stop solid objects, like say torpedos? Before they could jump, I think the Imperial fleet would have to advance past the Federation ships in order to jump. This is because you can't make a hyperspace jump through a solid object (probably because it would result in the destruction of both vessels). Teh sub-space fields generated by the Federation ships might also present a problem to the Imperial ships, since aren't such fields used to lower the mass of the ship allowing for rapid acceleration and high sub-light speeds. If the fields were reversed, then they could act as interdictors.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:19 am

Some things to consider here:

1.) Unlike the Battle of Endor, there is no shielded Death Star, nor a forest moon to block either fleet off from escape. Therefore both fleets will have plenty of room to maneuver. If the Imp fleet's goal is just to bypass the Fed fleet and go on to Earth, their task is that much easier.

2.) TIE fighters may suck, but they are numerous, and can delay the Fed fleet by just swarming the Fed captial ships.

3.) Even if the hull armor on all ships are the same, the Imp fleet ships are just, well... big. More armor by default to burn through, though that does not stop the Fed fleet ships from concentrating fire on vital spots (bridge, shield generators, engines, hangerbays, ect).

-Mike

sonofccn · Post by **sonofccn** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:22 am

I agree with AnonymousRedShirtEnsign. I highly doubt imperial fighers will make a major impact in the battle. Even with out fighters federation ships wouldn't be defenless against them, I don't see them inflicting enough damage to be cost effective.

sonofccn · Post by **sonofccn** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:26 am

Mike DiCenso wrote:2.)TIE fighters may suck, but they are numerous, and can delay the Fed fleet by just swarming the Fed

I didn't think of simply delaying, and distracting the fed ships. Good point.

Nice to see how much the Empire cares about thier pilots :)

AnonymousRedShirtEnsign · Post by **AnonymousRedShirtEnsign** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:27 am

By far the most effective tactic the Empire could use with regards to TIE fighters is to make them all kamikaze the Federation ships, they might be a little useful that way.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:34 pm

Why should the Empire care about a bunch of clones, anyway? After all, you can just call up the Kaminoans, and order more. :-)
-Mike

GStone · Post by **GStone** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:10 pm

ISDs get taken out by slow moving clumps of dirt, so they aren't gonna last against Fed torps long. TIEs might swarm Fed ships, but the capital ships are still faster and curve around them. A couple ISDs would get blown up and then, a forced surrender happens after a few try to get by and their engines get destroyed. Feds win.