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More Discovery Photon Torpedo Firepower On Display

Post by Mike DiCenso » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:23 am

Discovery bombards the facility on Essof IV in "Perpetual Infinity" with fairly impressive results, though not quite as impressive as the one carried out by the ISS Charon against rebels on Halak.
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Re: More Discovery Photon Torpedo Firepower On Display

Post by Khas » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:20 am

I just compared that scene to the orbital bombardment in The Last Jedi.

The moment when a handful of bog-standard photon torpedoes are hundreds, if not thousands of times more powerful than the First Order Dreadnought's multi-kilometer siege cannons is... admittedly... not one I would have expected to see when I first joined this board.

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Post by 359 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:28 am

To me it looks fairly similar to the single torpedo detonation on Vagra II in TNG: "Skin of Evil," except with newer graphics.

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:56 pm

And the Defiant's twin atmospheric quantum torpedo detonations in "For the Uniform":

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As I recall, it was calculated these were in the 500-1000 megaton range each, assuming surface detonations (they weren't, they were 50 km up to spread the trilithium poison).
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Re: More Discovery Photon Torpedo Firepower On Display

Post by Mike DiCenso » Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:08 am

Khas wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:20 am
I just compared that scene to the orbital bombardment in The Last Jedi.

The moment when a handful of bog-standard photon torpedoes are hundreds, if not thousands of times more powerful than the First Order Dreadnought's multi-kilometer siege cannons is... admittedly... not one I would have expected to see when I first joined this board.
Just bear a few things in mind.

- Discovery, despite her size, has less range and firepower than the Constitution-class heavy cruiser Enterprise as shown in the "Such Sweet Sorrow" season finale two-parter.

- According the Disney sanctioned ICS material, the First Order ships have increased firepower due to use of the magical kyber crystals in their star destroyers' turbolasers.

And unlike previous Trek series, there is no bloody getting around what we are seeing here due to FX limitations. In fact, this scene mirrors Dumar's statement in "Apocalypse RIsing" about using the commandeered Bird of Prey's torpedoes to wipe out Ty'Gokor and everything for hundreds of kilometers around it. Well, now we know he wasn't spouting any BS. On top of that we now know just how powerful that Klingon base's shields would be at bare minimum since O'Brien retorts back to him that the shields could handle such a bombardment and then blast them right out the sky.
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Re: More Discovery Photon Torpedo Firepower On Display

Post by Darth Spock » Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:39 pm

Impressive. The problem with those prior examples were problems with the visuals, as noted. The effects just weren't consistent with what such yields should produce. This one appears to have a nice big lingering fireball, while it's still not a perfect visual of what I'd expect, it's pretty solid. This might be the evidence that brings me to the high yield 'Trek camp. Of course I remember the last time I thought something like this it turned out to be the Harlak goose chase. So this time I figured I'd jump straight to the acid test and see if there's a nerf-it MacGuffin lying around down there. Aaaaaaaand there it is. They're using the base to power a deuterium reactor pumping out twelve warp cores worth of power, and then they blow it up.
Translation: Evidence supports the idea that the place was quite possibly the equivalent of a jumbo Ivy Mike facility just waiting for a half dozen moderate yield torpedoes to set it off.

Don't misunderstand, it's not that I have a hate hard-on for Star Trek, it's just that the longer I look at the whole thing, the more lower yields seem to make the most sense. Real life in WW2 demonstrates it perfectly, it's far easier to explain a few ultra high yield weapons as unusual, highly specialized ordinance amid countless weaker examples, than to try to figure out why comparatively insignificant weapons are used effectively while assuming yields thousands of times higher are the norm. At this point in 'Treks history, I think it's still a tad easier to come up with rational explanations for unusual high end examples than to try and explain away the weaker ones.

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Re: More Discovery Photon Torpedo Firepower On Display

Post by Praeothmin » Thu May 02, 2019 8:25 pm

Basically, you are doing what 2046 (Darkstar, G2K) did for the AT-AT on hoth scene:
Realising they are shooting at a massive power source with fuel and that such power sources usually explode very powerfully, and that the vessel (or Walker's) weapons are not necessarily responsible for the entire pyrotechnic...

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Re: More Discovery Photon Torpedo Firepower On Display

Post by 2046 » Fri May 03, 2019 2:30 am

Well, I mean, secondary explosions *are* a thing. It may be wrong when Hollywood treats every car gas tank like it will go full insta-BLEVE when shot, but these are slightly more energetic doodads we're talking about.

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