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Post by SailorSaturn13 » Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:10 pm

But even this is problematic because weapon A could have another effect on target 1 than on target 2, on which weapon B was used, which could have another effect on target 1. That applies especially on weapons, which induce a chain reaction in its target. In another target, it would maybe not be able to induce such a chain reaction although the target would be far easier to destroy by an direct energy transfer while the other target is easier to destroy by inducing a chain reaction.

In such a case, the figures of the equivalent amount of energy, a "classical" weapon would need for such a task, wouldn't be usefull.
First of all phasers do not need to be a chain reaction. Note that, for example, water boils at room temperature if pressure is low. All what you need are exotic particles that transfer energy from phaser and turn it into transition (= vaporization) energy without heating energy. I like this idea,
and also that phasers inertate atoms.
Second, if there is a chain reaction which works on elementar
(baryonic) particle level, than, as ALL matter consists of baryons, the DET equivalent of the shot would be pretty much the same in all targets. So if a target is harder to destroy, its because it neds bigger DET equivalent.

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Post by Who is like God arbour » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:13 am

SailorSaturn13 wrote:First of all phasers do not need to be a chain reaction.


I haven't said that. I have said
Who is like God arbour wrote:But in some instances, it is obviously, that the pasers don't vaporize its target due to heating.
That doesn't have to mean, that a phaser beam induce a chain reaction in its target. And it doesn't mean, that a phaser is not able to heat its target too.
The point is, we don't know the operating mode of a phaser and how it disintegrate matter. All we know is, that it does it - and that without bad effects on the surrounding, which would to be due, if the target would be vaporized due to heating.
SailorSaturn13 wrote:Note that, for example, water boils at room temperature if pressure is low. All what you need are exotic particles that transfer energy from phaser and turn it into transition (= vaporization) energy without heating energy. I like this idea, and also that phasers inertate atoms.
If you don't know, how exactly the exotic particle effect matter, you don't know the exact operating mode. It could be, that such an exotic particel could have a catalysing effect or something similar. But I don't see, how a particel would transfern energy from the phaser into into transition (= vaporization) energy without heating the matter to the vaporization temperature, which depends on the pressur, if the particel doesn't change said pressure.

And imagine, Dr. Jo'Bril, who should consist of circa 80 liter water, would have vaporized in this little shuttle. Even if the water vapour wouldn't have a high temperature, there should be a fog, which would condense rather quickly.
SailorSaturn13 wrote:Second, if there is a chain reaction which works on elementar (baryonic) particle level, than, as ALL matter consists of baryons, the DET equivalent of the shot would be pretty much the same in all targets. So if a target is harder to destroy, its because it neds bigger DET equivalent.
Please elaborate!

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Post by SailorSaturn13 » Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:02 pm

OK. First about matter. All normal matter consists of baryons, that is, protons and neutrons. Then we have electrons but as neutron can go into proton-electron pair, we can see them as an addon to proton, so that baryon exists in two states : neutron and proton-electron pair (thisw is VERY simplified, of course, but it gets the picture). Baryons form clumps called atoms, which include from 1 to some 250 baryons. Atoms with more than 100 protons or much more neutrons than protons are unstable. Atoms connect to each other via chemical forces, which are EM in nature.
Now we have a question: what happens to the thing a phaser is fired upon?
We have 2 possibilities:
1. matter is still there, just invisible. transforming a body into , say metal wouldn't achieve this. The only way to do so is to make gas out of matter. And prevent it from condensing. The best way to do so would be by an Inertator.
So in this case, phasers fire a beam of strange particles, which rip chemical bonds and then do something to atoms which precludes them from building such bonds again. Therefore, atoms cannot condense, too.
In this case the best way for phaser is not a chain reaction, as this would leavy an balance of excesssive energy and NOT stop after a while (in stone for example) but a Controlled Energy Transfer via some exotic field.
2.If matter isn't there, then it must be transformed. But transforming on atomar level (rearranging baryons) won't help - the best you can get is ditch volume by factor of 20 or so (natural matter has density up to 20 t/m^3). So the only way to do so would be to transform baryons into something else.
In this case, phasers indeed could use a chain reaction. However in this case it doesn't matter: as all matter is baryonic the effects on it would be the same, no matter whether it is water, stone, flesh or metal.

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