Starfleet Jedi

Mr Oragahn, you have accused me of trolling, and very serious (and factually incorrect) accusation. Here, I am calling you out on a debate.

If you think that I have weak arguments and are avoiding your points, you have no reason to not accept this. Surely you can prove your points in a civil manner that does not involve running everywhere and sniping me.

You really, really want me to respond to some points you've made, so you can post them all here.

And Picard, I am going to respond to our debate soon, I have been busy.


Terms of debate:


1. Remain civil at all times, to a reasonable extent.

2. G canon > T canon > C canon

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:Mr Oragahn, you have accused me of trolling, and very serious (and factually incorrect) accusation. Here, I am calling you out on a debate.

If you think that I have weak arguments and are avoiding your points, you have no reason to not accept this. Surely you can prove your points in a civil manner that does not involve running everywhere and sniping me.

You really, really want me to respond to some points you've made, so you can post them all here.

And Picard, I am going to respond to our debate soon, I have been busy.


Terms of debate:


1. Remain civil at all times, to a reasonable extent.

2. G canon > T canon > C canon

Wait, are you going to pull a Me vs random member anytime you actually fail at debating properly in the appropriate thread?
Why the hell should I bother repeating myself again in a new thread when, thus far, what I'm arguing about -against you- is perfectly in line with the thread's topic we were -and still are- posting in?

Request denied.

this is just catastrophically poor form on your part SWST this is a blatant troll thread

I agree, but there is nothing I can do about this at this time. At least until JMS more clearly defines what constitutes trolling in matters like this. But that being said, I personally agree that this is a trolling attempt.
-Mike

Mike DiCenso wrote:I agree, but there is nothing I can do about this at this time. At least until JMS more clearly defines what constitutes trolling in matters like this. But that being said, I personally agree that this is a trolling attempt.
-Mike

I can't see how JMS could possibly find him not guilty this time. I mean O's been more so then anything save Kor very accurately and thoroughly documenting every single time he's lied or dodged evidence or refuted a claim. if he's failed to do so constantly then making a thread like this wont change.

you also need to look at the reasons why he made this thread and the one against me. Neither where about accurately getting to the bottom of matters no they where because in his own words "clearly you have a problem with me" and "because you've made a very heavy accusation" it seems more like he's challenging him to a duel at dawn type scenario in an attempt to get him back for falsely perceived slights

simply put it's inviting a flame war..and I can cite the last two threads he did this both my own and DS degenerated into him ignoring all points and just insulting and trolling then running away

nothing good can come of allowing this

I actually disagree that this was an attempt at trolling... at least not intentionally (and if it was it was a really poor attempt). I honestly believe SWST intended to issue a formal debate challenge, and he did so without malice or ill intent. Mr. O has declined said challenge and that should be the end of the matter.

Trinoya wrote:I actually disagree that this was an attempt at trolling... at least not intentionally (and if it was it was a really poor attempt). I honestly believe SWST intended to issue a formal debate challenge, and he did so without malice or ill intent. Mr. O has declined said challenge and that should be the end of the matter.

maybe your not familiar with the other times he did..this and the resentful and arrogant attitude he displayed in the OP's of both which is consistent with his conduct here

simply put SWST is making a spite thread one in a long line of spite threads

Mike DiCenso wrote:I agree, but there is nothing I can do about this at this time. At least until JMS more clearly defines what constitutes trolling in matters like this. But that being said, I personally agree that this is a trolling attempt.
-Mike

Mike, I'm not the only person that challenges people to debates. You keep on running around everywhere, sniping me that I'm "trolling" (which implies that I'm intentionally screwing with people, a factually incorrect statement) with no evidence whatsoever, only to back away whenever I defend myself.


Mr. O, as I suspected, you came up with a stupid excuse to not debate me, despite being very happy to do so in all other threads. Denial accepted, and you cannot claim that I am evading you, because you just evaded me.

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:
Mike, I'm not the only person that challenges people to debates. You keep on running around everywhere, sniping me that I'm "trolling" (which implies that I'm intentionally screwing with people, a factually incorrect statement) with no evidence whatsoever, only to back away whenever I defend myself.]

you are how ever the only poster here who does it out of pure butthurt and resentment..you are the only one who has proven many times on your opening post that your goal is to bully and humble or pretend too..when your not actually interested in debating anything

StarWarsStarTrek wrote: Mr. O, as I suspected, you came up with a stupid excuse to not debate me, despite being very happy to do so in all other threads. Denial accepted, and you cannot claim that I am evading you, because you just evaded me.

yes he absolutely can and is completely justified in doing so when he has compiled a list of all the things you've ran form or ignored..so deal

Admiral Breetai wrote:
you are how ever the only poster here who does it out of pure butthurt and resentment..

Prove it, give a link and quote

you are the only one who has proven many times on your opening post that your goal is to bully and humble or pretend too..

Prove it, give a link and quote

when your not actually interested in debating anything

Prove it, give a link and quote

Bet you 10 imaginary bucks that you'll not provide the evidence, and instead use an ad hominem to avoid doing so. Which obviously means that you have no evidence, or otherwise you'd actually give it.

yes he absolutely can and is completely justified in doing so when he has compiled a list of all the things you've ran form or ignored..so deal

He's compiled scattered lists he scatters over multiple threads, and expects me to individually rebute all of those. Here, he can repost all of these threads in any organized manner.

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:

Mike DiCenso wrote:I agree, but there is nothing I can do about this at this time. At least until JMS more clearly defines what constitutes trolling in matters like this. But that being said, I personally agree that this is a trolling attempt.
-Mike

Mike, I'm not the only person that challenges people to debates. You keep on running around everywhere, sniping me that I'm "trolling" (which implies that I'm intentionally screwing with people, a factually incorrect statement) with no evidence whatsoever, only to back away whenever I defend myself.


Mr. O, as I suspected, you came up with a stupid excuse to not debate me, despite being very happy to do so in all other threads. Denial accepted, and you cannot claim that I am evading you, because you just evaded me.

Do you think that I am that stupid and that I'll take your obvious trolling bait?
I'm not evading you. My replies are all well written where they should be, and as a matter of fact, it is you who have been evading people's post.

Oh, wait. That last line sounds like some déjà vu.

Anyway, since it seems I have to prove that you're trolling, here's evidence that I'm doing my part of the job and that your request is retarded:

http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 016#p33016
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 135#p33135
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 194#p33194
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 441#p33441
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 715#p33715
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 730#p33730
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 774#p33774

Now, someone please close this silly thread and give that dude some well deserved warning.
Thanks.

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:

Admiral Breetai wrote:
you are how ever the only poster here who does it out of pure butthurt and resentment..

Prove it, give a link and quote

you are the only one who has proven many times on your opening post that your goal is to bully and humble or pretend too..

Prove it, give a link and quote

when your not actually interested in debating anything

Prove it, give a link and quote

Bet you 10 imaginary bucks that you'll not provide the evidence, and instead use an ad hominem to avoid doing so. Which obviously means that you have no evidence, or otherwise you'd actually give it.

yes he absolutely can and is completely justified in doing so when he has compiled a list of all the things you've ran form or ignored..so deal

He's compiled scattered lists he scatters over multiple threads, and expects me to individually rebute all of those. Here, he can repost all of these threads in any organized manner.

Everything has been proven, and for the reminder, no, I don't actually scatter that "list" over multiple thread.
That's just more lies and trolling.
Do you hear that ticking sound? That's your weeks left on this board before your permaban.

Mr. Oragahn wrote:

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:

Mike DiCenso wrote:I agree, but there is nothing I can do about this at this time. At least until JMS more clearly defines what constitutes trolling in matters like this. But that being said, I personally agree that this is a trolling attempt.
-Mike

Mike, I'm not the only person that challenges people to debates. You keep on running around everywhere, sniping me that I'm "trolling" (which implies that I'm intentionally screwing with people, a factually incorrect statement) with no evidence whatsoever, only to back away whenever I defend myself.


Mr. O, as I suspected, you came up with a stupid excuse to not debate me, despite being very happy to do so in all other threads. Denial accepted, and you cannot claim that I am evading you, because you just evaded me.

Do you think that I am that stupid and that I'll take your obvious trolling bait?
I'm not evading you. My replies are all well written where they should be, and as a matter of fact, it is you who have been evading people's post.

Oh, wait. That last line sounds like some déjà vu.

Anyway, since it seems I have to prove that you're trolling, here's evidence that I'm doing my part of the job and that your request is retarded:

http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 016#p33016
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 135#p33135
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 194#p33194
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 441#p33441
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 715#p33715
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 730#p33730
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 774#p33774

Now, someone please close this silly thread and give that dude some well deserved warning.
Thanks.

Prove that I'm trolling.

Oh, no, you can't. You have no problem with Picard making a debate thread, but you have every problem with me making an optional challenge of you because...because you don't like it!

Do you honestly think that your stance of me being a troll (a grudge which you instigated) has any rational basis?

That you think that your random posts are more important to me than my personal life, and that I have to respond to every last one of your posts, most of which repeat the same thing?

Have I complained that darkstar hasn't responded to my latest rebuttal in our debate? No, so why are you assuming that I have nothing else to do other than sit around and answer your arguments?

And I RESPONDED to many of the links you posted. Jeez. You should at least make valid links to posts I supposedly didn't respond to.

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:

Mr. Oragahn wrote:

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:
Mike, I'm not the only person that challenges people to debates. You keep on running around everywhere, sniping me that I'm "trolling" (which implies that I'm intentionally screwing with people, a factually incorrect statement) with no evidence whatsoever, only to back away whenever I defend myself.


Mr. O, as I suspected, you came up with a stupid excuse to not debate me, despite being very happy to do so in all other threads. Denial accepted, and you cannot claim that I am evading you, because you just evaded me.

Do you think that I am that stupid and that I'll take your obvious trolling bait?
I'm not evading you. My replies are all well written where they should be, and as a matter of fact, it is you who have been evading people's post.

Oh, wait. That last line sounds like some déjà vu.

Anyway, since it seems I have to prove that you're trolling, here's evidence that I'm doing my part of the job and that your request is retarded:

http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 016#p33016
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 135#p33135
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 194#p33194
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 441#p33441
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 715#p33715
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 730#p33730
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 774#p33774

Now, someone please close this silly thread and give that dude some well deserved warning.
Thanks.

Prove that I'm trolling.

Done.

I'm feeling guilty though, since I know I'm feeding the troll here. :)

Oh, no, you can't. You have no problem with Picard making a debate thread, but you have every problem with me making an optional challenge of you because...because you don't like it!

Pic knows how to debate. I don't agree with his figures but he knows how to behave and read other people's posts and their evidence, and can admit being wrong when it's time to.
You don't make any single concession, and everytime you logically should, you use argumentation fallacies or simply ignore a point to reboot the question later.
That's trolling, mate.
What? You didn't know?

Do you honestly think that your stance of me being a troll (a grudge which you instigated) has any rational basis?

Mmm... yep.

That you think that your random posts are more important to me than my personal life, and that I have to respond to every last one of your posts, most of which repeat the same thing?

Then why do you post in multiple threads repeatedly?
No one forces you to waste your oh so important life here after all.

Have I complained that darkstar hasn't responded to my latest rebuttal in our debate? No, so why are you assuming that I have nothing else to do other than sit around and answer your arguments?

OK, I admit. I'm a sockpuppet of Darkstar.

And I RESPONDED to many of the links you posted. Jeez. You should at least make valid links to posts I supposedly didn't respond to.

Yeah, so much that in your latest post, not only you did demonstrate that you hadn't taken a look at the quotes, but that you also claimed I didn't post any links to them.
The comedy writes itself. :)

Pic knows how to debate. I don't agree with his figures but he knows how to behave and read other people's posts and their evidence, and can admit being wrong when it's time to.

1. Picard decides to debate BDZ
2. Picard brings up Dankayo as evidence, referencing it as something that fits with canon and using it to support his side
3. I point out that Dankayo has 3 ISD's blowing off the atmosphere of a planet
4. Picard claims that it was only the base's atmopshere
5. I rebute this
6. Picard backtracks and claims that Dankayo is just an airless moon, when he could have taken a minute to search it up on wookieepedia
7. I rebute this
8. Picard says this:

"So we have a contradiction with canon"

And later claims that the feat was using some sort of technobabble atmosphere ripping invention.

Which then brings up the question as to why he brought up the quote in the first place if he thinks that it's an unquantifiable chain reaction AND that it's contradicting canon.

The obvious answer is that Picard misjudged his quote, but he has yet to admit this, contrary to what you claim.



So you can go take your unsupported accusations of trolling and stick it up your ass. That, or provide proof that I am, which does not involve a one word "done".