Did Alderaan explode?

For polite and reasoned discussion of Star Wars and/or Star Trek.
Post Reply
Lucky
Jedi Master
Posts: 2239
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Did Alderaan explode?

Post by Lucky » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:12 am

IF Alderaan exploded then why is it traveling in asteroid form a long the same orbit it was traveling before it's destruction?

The Millennium Falcon came out of hyperspace right where Alderaan was suppose to be, and right there was Alderaan.

It's like the planet just kind of fell apart rather then exploded.

Is there anything to explain this?

Kor_Dahar_Master
Starship Captain
Posts: 1246
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Re: Did Alderaan explode?

Post by Kor_Dahar_Master » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:16 am

Lucky wrote:IF Alderaan exploded then why is it traveling in asteroid form a long the same orbit it was traveling before it's destruction?

The Millennium Falcon came out of hyperspace right where Alderaan was suppose to be, and right there was Alderaan.

It's like the planet just kind of fell apart rather then exploded.

Is there anything to explain this?
Most of it was shoved into hyperspace and the rest exploded, as such it is reasonable to say that due to collisions and the chaotic nature of the explosion there would be debris left behind i suppose.

Lucky
Jedi Master
Posts: 2239
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Re: Did Alderaan explode?

Post by Lucky » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:24 am

Kor_Dahar_Master wrote:
Lucky wrote:IF Alderaan exploded then why is it traveling in asteroid form a long the same orbit it was traveling before it's destruction?

The Millennium Falcon came out of hyperspace right where Alderaan was suppose to be, and right there was Alderaan.

It's like the planet just kind of fell apart rather then exploded.

Is there anything to explain this?
Most of it was shoved into hyperspace and the rest exploded, as such it is reasonable to say that due to collisions and the chaotic nature of the explosion there would be debris left behind i suppose.
The explosion was at about the center of the planet and omnidirectional. The peaces should have all been moving away from the center of the planet.

Kor_Dahar_Master
Starship Captain
Posts: 1246
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Re: Did Alderaan explode?

Post by Kor_Dahar_Master » Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:16 am

Lucky wrote:
Kor_Dahar_Master wrote:
Lucky wrote:IF Alderaan exploded then why is it traveling in asteroid form a long the same orbit it was traveling before it's destruction?

The Millennium Falcon came out of hyperspace right where Alderaan was suppose to be, and right there was Alderaan.

It's like the planet just kind of fell apart rather then exploded.

Is there anything to explain this?
Most of it was shoved into hyperspace and the rest exploded, as such it is reasonable to say that due to collisions and the chaotic nature of the explosion there would be debris left behind i suppose.
The explosion was at about the center of the planet and omnidirectional. The peaces should have all been moving away from the center of the planet.
True but as the pieces would be all traveling at different velocities relative to their mass a faster one hitting a slower one that is ahead of it will lose its momentum. Yes a lot of what was left over from the planet would be blasted out of the area but collisions would mean some material will be left behind.

User avatar
Mr. Oragahn
Admiral
Posts: 6865
Joined: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:58 am
Location: Paradise Mountain

Re: Did Alderaan explode?

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:27 pm

Lucky wrote:
Kor_Dahar_Master wrote:
Lucky wrote:IF Alderaan exploded then why is it traveling in asteroid form a long the same orbit it was traveling before it's destruction?

The Millennium Falcon came out of hyperspace right where Alderaan was suppose to be, and right there was Alderaan.

It's like the planet just kind of fell apart rather then exploded.

Is there anything to explain this?
Most of it was shoved into hyperspace and the rest exploded, as such it is reasonable to say that due to collisions and the chaotic nature of the explosion there would be debris left behind i suppose.
The explosion was at about the center of the planet and omnidirectional. The peaces should have all been moving away from the center of the planet.
Actually the biggest blast occurred off center, on the other side of the planet.

Now, why is it all weird? Technobabble and hyperspace, including some weird collapsing effects which would perhaps explain why lots of the planet's mass is still going on. Why is it still stuck on its orbit, that's another issue. Clearly, the asteroids are still acting like if they were anchored to a barycentered huge mass and held together.

StarWarsStarTrek
Starship Captain
Posts: 881
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Re: Did Alderaan explode?

Post by StarWarsStarTrek » Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:20 pm

Both the script and novel say that Alderaan was blown into space dust.

Picard
Starship Captain
Posts: 1433
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Re: Did Alderaan explode?

Post by Picard » Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:51 pm

And we see rather large asteroid field with equally large asteroids.

Nowhereman10
Bridge Officer
Posts: 103
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Re: Did Alderaan explode?

Post by Nowhereman10 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:23 am

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:Both the script and novel say that Alderaan was blown into space dust.
Space dust? Where do they say that? When the Falcon drops back into normalspace, there are at least multi-meter wide chunks seen flying past the cockpit window along with tiny particulate clouds, but the whole planetary mass was clearly not reduced to dust. Furthermore, the novelization describes gigantic asteroidal debris. Possibly big as the Falcon herself, if not larger.

What's interesting is that all this encountered debris was located only about one planetary diameter off Alderaan's actual calculated orbital position. Meaning DET can't necessarily be involved here, or there would be nothing for the Falcon to encounter at all since much, if not all of the material would be accelerated to a decent fraction of c, and sent flying out of the solar system.

Lucky
Jedi Master
Posts: 2239
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Re: Did Alderaan explode?

Post by Lucky » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:30 am

Lucky wrote: The explosion was at about the center of the planet and omnidirectional. The peaces should have all been moving away from the center of the planet.
Mr. Oragahn wrote:Actually the biggest blast occurred off center, on the other side of the planet.
Isn't that what I said?
Mr. Oragahn wrote:Now, why is it all weird? Technobabble and hyperspace, including some weird collapsing effects which would perhaps explain why lots of the planet's mass is still going on. Why is it still stuck on its orbit, that's another issue. Clearly, the asteroids are still acting like if they were anchored to a barycentered huge mass and held together.
Wouldn't the Malevolence's destruction be a good thing to compare to Alderaan's destruction since the same thing happened to both?

Post Reply