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Photon Torpedo size and Micro-Torp
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:20 am
by Lucky
Picard wrote:Runabouts, shuttles and fighters fire smaller micro-torpedoes. Normal torpedoes are 2.1 x 0.8 meters if I remember correctly - in any case, large enough for average person to fit inside when sub-components are removed. That is bit too large for runabouts or fighters to pack anything more than one pair of them.
And mini-torpedos have never appeared in any way, shape, or form in Star Trek Canon as far as I know.
I'm well aware of what Star Fleet has done with the class 8 probe. You have to love proof that the UFP can make warp drives capable of reaching warp 9 and small enough to mount on torpedos without needed to remove any components.
Re: defensive capabilities and durability of the deathstar
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:53 am
by Picard
And mini-torpedos have never appeared in any way, shape, or form in Star Trek Canon as far as I know.
Standard torpedo
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/bl ... eet-32.jpg
Micro-torpedo
http://www.starbase400.org/avalon/image ... hoton1.jpg
Maquis raider
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Federation_attack_fighter
Torpedo shield diameter is approx. 1/14th of raider's height. If raider is 50 meters long (
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... _galor.jpg ) then height is around 12.5 meters, and shield diameter is around 0.89 meters. Way too smal for 2-meter-long torpedo.
Re: defensive capabilities and durability of the deathstar
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:25 am
by Lucky
And mini-torpedos have never appeared in any way, shape, or form in Star Trek Canon as far as I know.
That is not canon, and I know you should be able to find a canon torpedo schematic.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Mark_ ... terior.jpg
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:P_Torp.jpg
The only thing we know for certain is that the orbs are the war head.
What is that a picture of? For all I know that is a very large ship.
Why are you not using the torpedo in a later frame for scaling? Torpedo glow takes time to grow to full size.
What Episode is that from? The site you linked to appears to be a role playing game or fan fiction.
If you want Star Trek screen caps you may want to look at this site
http://www.trekcore.com/
You are linking to a page for the federation fighter, and not a Maquis raider.
The page says the visual effects make no sense, torpedos coming out of phaser and phasers coming out of torpedos. This doesn't really prove anything beyond the VFX crew for DS-9 did a crappy job, and we can't trust the VFX.
Picard wrote:Torpedo shield diameter is approx. 1/14th of raider's height. If raider is 50 meters long (
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... _galor.jpg ) then height is around 12.5 meters, and shield diameter is around 0.89 meters. Way too smal for 2-meter-long torpedo.
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I see a phaser beam in that picture.
Re: defensive capabilities and durability of the deathstar
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:58 am
by Picard
What is that a picture of?
Smaller version of Maquis raider.
I see a phaser beam in that picture.
It also shows Maquis raider, and you can do size comparision with Galor.
That is not canon, and I know you should be able to find a canon torpedo schematic.
I had no time; and only dimensions are important - dimensions which are in line with few "torpedo burial" scenes and few times we do see torpedo. Capital-grade torpedoes are simply too large to be used by raiders, runabouts or attack fighters.
Re: defensive capabilities and durability of the deathstar
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:38 am
by Lucky
What is that a picture of?
Picard wrote: Smaller version of Maquis raider.
How do we know that it is a smaller version? I can't tell anything from that picture.
I see a phaser beam in that picture.
Picard wrote: It also shows Maquis raider, and you can do size comparision with Galor.
The problem is there is no one model of ship that is a Maquis raider, and Star Trek has a common problem of not having ships to scale.
That is not canon, and I know you should be able to find a canon torpedo schematic.
Picard wrote: I had no time; and only dimensions are important - dimensions which are in line with few "torpedo burial" scenes and few times we do see torpedo. Capital-grade torpedoes are simply too large to be used by raiders, runabouts or attack fighters.
But the script calls for capital grade weapons according to the pages on memory alpha you linked to.
Why can't Runabouts mount standard torpedos?
Why can't Attack craft mount standard torpedos? It actual makes sense for fedration attack craft to be rather large.
Why can't raiders mount standard torpedos?
Re: Photon Torpedo size and Micro-Torp
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:50 pm
by Picard
Why can't Runabouts mount standard torpedos?
Runabouts are cca 20 meters long. Capital-grade photon torpedoes are 2 meters long. If you see any scene where runabouts fire torpedoes, torpedoes are far smaller than 2 meters.
Why can't Attack craft mount standard torpedos? It actual makes sense for fedration attack craft to be rather large.
Around 25 meters, again. Watch scenes where these are shown. Too small for anything more than few exterior torpedoes.
Why can't raiders mount standard torpedos?
Again, most probably too small to mount reasonable number of them.
Re: Photon Torpedo size and Micro-Torp
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:33 am
by Lucky
Mounting smaller torpedos does not solve the problem of not being able to carry enough torpedos. Suppose you cut the torpedo's size in half, you then have to shrink everything inside the torpedo, and some things will scale better then other. You have to shrink the shield generator, propulsion system, targeting computers, targeting sensors, warhead, armor, power source to run the propulsion and
Smaller torpedo = smaller warhead
Picard wrote: Runabouts are cca 20 meters long. Capital-grade photon torpedoes are 2 meters long. If you see any scene where runabouts fire torpedoes, torpedoes are far smaller than 2 meters.
I don't think I've ever seen a Runabout fire a torpedo.
Picard wrote: Around 25 meters, again. Watch scenes where these are shown. Too small for anything more than few exterior torpedoes.
What battles are you talking about? I'm watching "sacrifice of the angels" now, and I see the UFP "fighters" using pulse phasers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVtj7PauX_I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYxITrQGOyo
Where are these torpedos fired?
Picard wrote: Again, most probably too small to mount reasonable number of them.
The picture of the torpedo being fired didn't give the torpedo's glow time to grow.
All it takes is 1 or 3 photon torpedos to destroy a Cardassian warship.
Re: Photon Torpedo size and Micro-Torp
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:57 am
by Picard
Glow is ALWAYS bigger than torpedo. That picture shows glow simply too small for torpedo.
Re: Photon Torpedo size and Micro-Torp
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:39 pm
by Lucky
Picard wrote:Glow is ALWAYS bigger than torpedo. That picture shows glow simply too small for torpedo.
The Glow always starts almost the same size as the torpedo, and only after the torpedo has been flying for a few seconds does it stop growing.
I have no idea what episode that picture of the Maquis craft came from.
