Starfleet Jedi

basically I'm curious about the defensive capabilities of the DS1/2 how much abuse it's shields could take and could it's defensive weaponry handle the following

I'm not sure were this belongs exactly as it will contain elements of trek and other fictional series/characters so if this is the wrong section my bad

goal: to defend against and repel each threat..Q repairs and ressurects the DS after each attempted attack which ones can the Ds hold off and destroy on it's own..

right then how far can each super station get?

1, A fleet of 60 constitution class starships 45 Excelsiors and 120 Mirandas from the TOS movie era enter and open fire on the station/fleet with the order to annihilate it and spare no one...which station succeeds if why?

2, a xindi fleet with it's planet killer

3, the fleet from Way of the Warrior

4, This attack as scene here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcGtUEHzk9s

5, Bombardment from the boddle fleet (six million ships) robotech turned earth into a dead desert world with a single opening volley

6, and last but not least

based on pure shields armor and personal defenses can each of the two DS's survive any of these things?

Admiral Breetai wrote: 1. A fleet of 60 constitution class starships 45 Excelsiors and 120 Mirandas from the TOS movie era enter and open fire on the station/fleet with the order to annihilate it and spare no one...which station succeeds if why?

Neither, since as I've alluded, phasers are graviton-based, while SW shields are not, and therefore phasers will pass right through SW shields unaffected.

Likewise, ST ships have a range of about 200,000 km, while STshields can deflect more than their magnetic shields can absorb.

I think one ship could do it just by drilling down to the reactor and making all the fuel go critical.

KSW Clone 14 wrote:since as I've alluded,

But never proven...

Praetho, can you post a list of KSW's clones somwhere? It would be funny to see list increasing over time.

Are the defenders defending a planet or is this empty space? I think it would make a big differnce in who would win. Anyway my opinions:

Admiral Breetai wrote:1, A fleet of 60 constitution class starships 45 Excelsiors and 120 Mirandas from the TOS movie era enter and open fire on the station/fleet with the order to annihilate it and spare no one...which station succeeds if why?

I think they can take the DS1, magnetic shield can't stop photon torpedoes, its armor was weak against X-wing laser blasts. Scour away turbolasers, rinse, repeat until you've peeled the thing like a grape. Final tally TOS victory but with heavy losses.

Don't know about the DS2 or what the limits are to its shield.

Admiral Breetai wrote:a xindi fleet with it's planet killer

:)

Palpatine: Behold the power of this complete and fully operational battlestation!

Xindi captain: Is moonsized close enough to a planet?

Xindi gunner:Sure, why not?*Fires super beam of doom*

Palpatine: Oh poopy!*explodes*

Seriously through while their mainline ships are tinkertoys, little better than an NX class which is a tinker toy compared to the 23rd century starship much less an ISD, their deathstar should rip clean through either death star. Hell they prototype Shran tried to steal, that you know fit inside his cargo bay, would be enough to put the fear of the Emperor into either crew.

Anyway that's my two cents.

Don't forget the DS1 had more firepower (as in, more TLs) then half the starfleet...

Praeothmin wrote:Don't forget the DS1 had more firepower (as in, more TLs) then half the starfleet...

Yes, but could they hit a fast moving torpedo aimed at their tailpipe moving at around 100,000 klicks a second?

If Q helps them, yes. Without Q helping them, no. And even if they hit torpedo, it would be irrelevant due to torpedo's shields.

Praeothmin wrote:Don't forget the DS1 had more firepower (as in, more TLs) then half the starfleet...

Very true but over two hundred ships is a lot of targets, plus the DS can't bring all of its guns to bear on the same target. I'm sure they'll rip to shreds the first "wing" but with each firing off a clutch or two of photon torpedoes plus phasers, assuming they fly past the magnetic screen, will do a lot of damage. Then the second "wing" can come up and expand that bridgehead and so on...

Mith wrote:

Praeothmin wrote:Don't forget the DS1 had more firepower (as in, more TLs) then half the starfleet...

Yes, but could they hit a fast moving torpedo aimed at their tailpipe moving at around 100,000 klicks a second?

The hole is not that wide. Are the torpedoes capable of being that accurate if fired from afar and quite fast?

Torpedoes can manouver, but will probably have to slow down before getting into hole, and shields should be quite tight around casing.

I've never seen a Photon Torpedo maneuver as much as the torpedoes seen in ANH...

But photon torpedoes would optimally be fired at ~90 ° angle, right into the hole, so only manouvers required would be slight course corrections. Plus, fighter-grade torpedoes probably can manouver quite better than their capital-grade counterparts, althought I don't remember any such instances, it is only guess on my part.

Picard wrote:But photon torpedoes would optimally be fired at ~90 ° angle, right into the hole, so only manouvers required would be slight course corrections. Plus, fighter-grade torpedoes probably can manouver quite better than their capital-grade counterparts, althought I don't remember any such instances, it is only guess on my part.

There are no fighter grade torpedos in Star Trek. There are only full size torpedos. Heck, there is only one size of torpedos.

Runabouts, shuttles and fighters fire smaller micro-torpedoes. Normal torpedoes are 2.1 x 0.8 meters if I remember correctly - in any case, large enough for average person to fit inside when sub-components are removed. That is bit too large for runabouts or fighters to pack anything more than one pair of them.