Some questions about the ICS/ Where are the turbolasers

[Lucky]

Am I correct in assuming the Star Wars incredible cross-sections books are suppose to show the ships, vehicles, and weapons as shown in the movies like the covers seem to imply?

Star Wars Episode I
Incredible Cross-Sections
The Definitive Guide To The Craft Of Star Wars: Episode I
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... SecEp1.jpg

Star Wars
Attack Of The Clones
Incredible Cross-Sections
The Definitive Guide To The Craft Of Star Wars: Episode II
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... ctions.jpg

Star Wars
Revenge of the Sith
Incredible Cross-Sections
The Definitive Guide To Spaceships And Vehicles
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... ctions.jpg



Could someone please provide screen caps from the movies that shows the 12 quad turbolaser turrets on the Acclamator-class assault ship that are shown in the ICS? The quad turbolaser turrets seem rather large and noticeable, there are suppose to be at least three on either side of the bridge tower, and are not stated to be retractable, but I can't seem to find a single quad turbolaser turret when I watch the movies.

This is a scanned ICS Acclamator-class assault ship page to help.
http://www.phombo.com/science-technolog ... l/popular/


If the turbolasers are not there in the movie what does this mean concerning the information in the Star Wars ICS?

I know they are not there in T-canon, and I seem to remember this question being asked at Spacebattles.com, but can't find the thread.

[Mr. Oragahn]

It is said (excused) that the turbolasers are hidden and deployed, like on the lucrehulk battleships.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Check this thread btw.

[Lucky]

It is said (excused) that the turbolasers are hidden and deployed, like on the lucrehulk battleships.

The ICS does not list such an ability, and it does not do anything to show the ability in the picture. There might be some acclamators designed that way in C-canon, but they are not the model shown in the ICS.
http://img.phombo.com/img1/photocombo/72/Ep2-013.jpg

[Lucky]

Check this thread btw.

It's similar to the tread at Spacebattles I was thinking of, but I'm pretty sure there is one at spacebattles.

[The Dude]

Your link returns a 403 Forbidden page.

[Lucky]

Your link returns a 403 Forbidden page.

Could you be more specific? All the links in this thread work for me.

Pictures of the covers of the three SWICS books found on Wookieepedia.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Episode_ ... s-Sections

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_o ... s-Sections

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revenge_ ... s-Sections

This is a full size scan of the ICS version of the Episode 2: Republic Acclamator-Class Assault Ship.
http://www.phombo.com/science-technolog ... ons/12683/

[The Dude]

It is said (excused) that the turbolasers are hidden and deployed, like on the lucrehulk battleships.

The ICS does not list such an ability, and it does not do anything to show the ability in the picture. There might be some acclamators designed that way in C-canon, but they are not the model shown in the ICS.
http://img.phombo.com/img1/photocombo/72/Ep2-013.jpg

This one.

[Mike DiCenso]

On the question of where the Acclamator assault ship TLs might be hidden away, we see recessed guns in RoTS on both a Republic cruiser as well as the Invisible Hand. In ANH we also see the small anti-starfighter TLs are recessed away inside similar style alcoves as well. So while the there are no big honkin' huge gun turrets on them as far as anyone can see on the models, it does not necessarily disclude the possibility of small TLs tucked away in trench wall alcoves.
-Mike

[Lucky]

It is said (excused) that the turbolasers are hidden and deployed, like on the lucrehulk battleships.

The ICS does not list such an ability, and it does not do anything to show the ability in the picture. There might be some acclamators designed that way in C-canon, but they are not the model shown in the ICS.
http://img.phombo.com/img1/photocombo/72/Ep2-013.jpg

This one.

I don't understand why it only sometimes works. Try right clicking on it, and opening it in a new window or tab.

It is just a full size scan of the acclamator's ICS page.

[Lucky]

On the question of where the Acclamator assault ship TLs might be hidden away, we see recessed guns in RoTS on both a Republic cruiser as well as the Invisible Hand. In ANH we also see the small anti-starfighter TLs are recessed away inside similar style alcoves as well. So while the there are no big honkin' huge gun turrets on them as far as anyone can see on the models, it does not necessarily disclude the possibility of small TLs tucked away in trench wall alcoves.
-Mike

The ICS is very clear where the twelve quad turbolaser turrets are. There are three on either side of the bridge tower at the rear, and three on either side in the "trenches". There really should be no way to miss the turrets on either side of the bridge.

The ICS do not say the turrets are retractable, and the picture does not show they are retractable. The picture in fact makes it look as if there just isn't any room for the turrets to retract into the hull.

I really have no problem assuming there might be unseen anti-fighter/personel weapons on the Acclamator assault ship, it's not like we ever saw one in a situation to use a weapon, but the quad turrets are just to big to not be seen, and that is the problem. If the ICS can't be relied on to have something as simple as the proper placement of big highly visable weapons correct then how can we trust things we can't see like numbers?

[Picard]

ICS is full of crap, I won't be surprised if they made up these emplacements alltogether.

Plus it is said that "troopships land to disgorge swarms of armed transport gunships under cover of turbolaser fire."

I don't remember seeing single Acclamtor class firing single bolt. It would be logical if military transports are armed, but we never see them fire, which means that Saxton just invented its own version of events (if I'm not wrong, that picture is from Episode II ICS, which is written by Saxton (just look at info section - 200 gigaton heavy and 6 megaton medium turbolasers).

[Mr. Oragahn]

There's also the question of why large swiveling turrets with wide arcs of fire should be more powerful than recessed cannons stuck inside the superstructure, coming with limited firing arcs because they're dedicated to broadside and eventually forward firing.

When you look at it, what's massive on a heavy turbolaser turret is the turret, not the cannons. Those cannons could be mounted anywhere on the superstructure and you'd barely seem them sticking out of those blocky pieces in the trenches, with the heavy hardware located under the armour, like it's suggested for the ISDs with all those terrace guns, which are akin to pieces firing through the slits of bunkers' walls.

We can see that with the Munificents' bow superguns, as well as with the example of a SPHA-T firing from a hangar bay, that you can have a fixed and pillboxed gun which has nothing to envy to the HTLs sticking out on the back of KDY/Rendili ships.

Hell, even the ICS shows that for the Venators, most of the important hardware is located underneath the armour as far as the dorsal HTLs are concerned.

Besides, you've seen those cornershot appendages you can stick to rifles and other guns. Why couldn't SW be capable of the same thing? They have magnetic fields.

[Mike DiCenso]

The ICS is very clear where the twelve quad turbolaser turrets are. There are three on either side of the bridge tower at the rear, and three on either side in the "trenches". There really should be no way to miss the turrets on either side of the bridge.

The ICS do not say the turrets are retractable, and the picture does not show they are retractable. The picture in fact makes it look as if there just isn't any room for the turrets to retract into the hull.

I really have no problem assuming there might be unseen anti-fighter/personel weapons on the Acclamator assault ship, it's not like we ever saw one in a situation to use a weapon, but the quad turrets are just to big to not be seen, and that is the problem. If the ICS can't be relied on to have something as simple as the proper placement of big highly visable weapons correct then how can we trust things we can't see like numbers?

You missed the point of my response, Lucky. All I'm, pointing out is:

A.) We don't see any obvious heavy turbolaser emplacements on the Republic attack ships ala the later Venators or ISDs. See the link t the thread and the images. None of the dorsal views of the Acclamators shows the ICS quad heavy TL emplacements.

B.) There is nothing that precludes small AA TLs from being tucked into the sidewall trench areas as we have seen in RoTS and ANH.


That's all. Now yes, the thing many Warsies keep conveniently forgetting is that Saxton did not have access to the final version of the films, just lots of artist concept material and unfinished footage. For his Slave-I firepower estimates he just took some comic book depictions of the ship in combat and assumed it was vaporizing enemy ships. So no, even without this, there was plenty of reason to disregard his numbers.
-Mike

[Mr. Oragahn]

There's also no reason to maintain the heavier guns outside of the armour other than getting a wide arc of fire.
Something which doesn't make much sense since there could be batteries pointing up and benefitting from a 90° upward firing angle. In general SDs aren't even engaging targets that way. They always face them or go broadsides. Guns hidden in the steps of the terraces on the superstructure, dorsal and ventral, would do very well and fit better with the pointy design.

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