Why I think UFP longer number big starships

[Jasonb]

The facts that in Star Terk Statistical Probabilities talk about lose 900 billion people in Dominion war. Make me think Federation even has longer numbers starship like Galaxy class or longer numbers of fighters. Because can not see space stations and ground fights put together lead that many deaths.

[Mike DiCenso]

No, many of those casualties can be the result of massive planetary bombardments, and or atrocities from their occupations, like what the Dominion did at the end of the war to Cardassia.
-Mike

[The Dude]

No, many of those casualties can be the result of massive planetary bombardments, and or atrocities from their occupations, like what the Dominion did at the end of the war to Cardassia.
-Mike

Aye, even if we assumed that the average crew was a 1000 (the GCS numbers) your looking at a very large number of ships. 100,000 ships would only get you what? A billion people?

Doesn't really jive with what we saw on the show. And to be perfectly honest, I find those numbers suspect; those guys where not exactly stable.

[Praeothmin]

And to be perfectly honest, I find those numbers suspect; those guys where not exactly stable.

Although authistic people are often pretty good at math, and probability calculations are basically Math... ;)

[The Dude]

Although authistic people are often pretty good at math, and probability calculations are basically Math... ;)

Yeah, see I got the impression they were a little further down the scale then Rainman.

[Praeothmin]

Yeah, see I got the impression they were a little further down the scale then Rainman.

See, to me, they didn't seem to be the kind who'd throw fits because they didn't have any clean underwear... :)

[The Dude]

Wonder what their stance was on fish sticks.

[Mike DiCenso]

Wonder what their stance was on fish sticks.

Jack would probably find them pretty tasty.
-Mike

[Mike DiCenso]

Although authistic people are often pretty good at math, and probability calculations are basically Math... ;)

Yeah, see I got the impression they were a little further down the scale then Rainman.

Actually, there is little reason to doubt the Jack Pack's math as it was gone over extensively by Dr. Bashir, who is just as intelligent and capable Augment, but is not hampered by the instabilities that plagued Jack and the others.
-Mike

[The Dude]

Actually, there is little reason to doubt the Jack Pack's math as it was gone over extensively by Dr. Bashir, who is just as intelligent and capable Augment, but is not hampered by the instabilities that plagued Jack and the others.
-Mike

*shrug* Did they ever specify where these casualties where going to come from? The OP (from what little I can understand) seems to think that the starfleet was larger then shown or there were huge ships off screen.

From what I recall of the ep, they threw out 900 billion but never said where from.

[Mike DiCenso]

They do not state where the casualties come from, but it is known that they are Federation casualties. Assuming over 150 member worlds (average population of 6 billion as Vulcan is stated to have in ST 2009), plus at least 1,000 colonies (hundreds to hundreds of millions), then assume the Dominion and allies get nasty and carry out wholesale planetary bombardment or the kinds of retaliatory slaughters on occupied worlds as they did on Cardassia in WYLB, where over 800 million died before it was prematurely stopped by the cease fire, and you can easily get hundreds of billions dead.

As for the starship numbers, in two years 6 million Cardassian soldiers lost their lives fighting for the Dominion. Assuming they were all starship crews, not ground troops, that gives us a total of between 6,000-12,000 Cardassian starships, if they average between 500-1,000 crew per ship.
-Mike

[Jasonb]

I could have another theory what about Federation attack fighters and other races of UFP also could have combat starships of there own.

[Mike DiCenso]

You're completely fixated on the assumption that all the casualties projected by the Jack Pack for the Dominion war would be solely due to starship or fighter losses. However as seen in the above discussions, there are other explanations, such as planetary bombardments and atrocities against the populations of occupied worlds that can also account for such high numbers.
-Mike

[Jasonb]

I take it as unlikely that 900 billion deaths come mostly from planetary bombardments. First the Dominion toke Betazed with very few deaths if any. The fact the Romulanplan using a 2,000 soldiers take Vulcan give hint that Dominion could us smell force like that do the same. It is most likely that most worlds would have fallen with out any planetary bombardments being done. While yes the Dominion talk about doing something like that to Earth. I think Earth only real planet planing doing to.

[Mike DiCenso]

Please state how you know the casualties for the Dominion invasion and occupation of Betazed. Nohing is stated one way or the other in "In the Pale Moonlight". Additionally, Betazed was described clearly to have outdated and unmanned planetary defenses, which precludes the need for massive bombardment as would be the case for Earth.

In "Unification, Part II" the 2,000 soldiers were on the three stolen Vulcan starships, and little did anyone know that there was at least one D'Deridex warbird flying cloaked in formation with them, indicating that they would have at least significant support, perhaps in the form of orbital bombardment and maybe additional tens of thousands of troops once a perimeter area foothold was secured by the first couple thousand.

By the way, Weyon states at one point that Earth would likely be the center of any future rebellions once the Federation was conquered, and he felt that wiping out it's population would be necessary towards the end of preventing resistance to Dominion rule. That means many billions dead right there in a program of systematic genocide against the Human race.
-Mike