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What is CRITICAL LINE A?

Corellia
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50%
Another "known" system in the Corellian sector
0
No votes
Another "known" system, but not in the Corellian sector
0
No votes
Some random backwater system not listed on Wookieepedia
2
50%
 
Total votes: 4

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:43 am

Jedi Master Spock wrote:We have the following blanks to fill:
  • NUMBER A: Newtons of sheer gravitational force that strained the Cheron.
3.1 x 10^18 newtons.
Jedi Master Spock wrote:[*]NUMBER B: Joules of energy related to the real-space flare of the anomaly.
In keeping with stated energy levels in VOY episodes like "One Small Step" and "Fair Haven", I suggest 1 billion terajoules.
Jedi Master Spock wrote:[*]EPITHETS A, B, and C: Aiyira bemoaning the Andorian selling the rebels up the creek.
Oh Smeg, Frakin' , and Feldercarb (switch around as you like, or add in "Smeghead" on B). And believe it or not, frak is C-level canon since it is used in "Star Wars Legacy 2: Broken, Part 2.".

Jedi Master Spock wrote:[*]EMOTION A: What Andorian antenna-twitches look like to a Twi'lek.
Something obscene.
Jedi Master Spock wrote: [*]EMOTION B: Feeling that Roaman Lekva would like to remain hidden from his fellow rebels.
That he regrets never having had sex with that Ewok princess on Endor? >;-)
Jedi Master Spock wrote: We also have a few questions - most importantly, perhaps:
  • Will Commander Shovas accept the invitation to dinner?
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Maybe they should make a counter-invitation to Zhet to dine on board the Cheron?
Jedi Master Spock wrote: Note in particular regarding the numbers that the sensors of the Judgment suffered temporary impairment, and that the Cheron did not suffer structural damage, although it did have an unenjoyable ride.
So how badly damaged is the Cheron, and how badly will it effect her in combat should it come down to it?
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Post by Jedi Master Spock » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:12 am

Mike DiCenso wrote:3.1 x 10^18 newtons.
By the way, should be "shear" force, typo there.

And ... wow. That's a lot.
Maybe they should make a counter-invitation to Zhet to dine on board the Cheron?
As the featured question, this one is on the poll, and this is indeed an option.
So how badly damaged is the Cheron, and how badly will it effect her in combat should it come down to it?
-Mike
Well, warp power is down temporarily. No serious permanent damage, but warp power being down is probably important for several good reasons.

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:34 pm

Mike DiCenso wrote: 3.1 x 10^18 newtons.
Jedi Master Spock wrote: By the way, should be "shear" force, typo there.

And ... wow. That's a lot.
Yes, it is. Of course, using a typical black hole as an example, you can probably shave it down to something like 3.1 x 10^6 newtons of sheer force. Enough to cause serious stress on the Cheron, and leave her in a damaged state. Of course the former number is ludicriously high simply in keeping with the somewhat silly nature of the story.

Mike DiCenso wrote:Maybe they should make a counter-invitation to Zhet to dine on board the Cheron?
Jedi Master Spock wrote:As the featured question, this one is on the poll, and this is indeed an option.
Okay, howabout with the provision that they invite Zhet over, but they keep all the human crew members out of sight so they can keep the element of surprise for later, should it be needed. One of the reasons, aside from good diplomacy (and to buy time), is to get good scans of the uniforms and equipment (assuming the probe was unable to earlier before it beamed back) in the advent that they need to do an infiltration mission.
Mike DiCenso wrote:So how badly damaged is the Cheron, and how badly will it effect her in combat should it come down to it?
-Mike
Jedi Master Spock wrote:Well, warp power is down temporarily. No serious permanent damage, but warp power being down is probably important for several good reasons.


You mean like an antimatter-matter powered ship toasting the hell out of a fusion powered one? Or to keep the Cheron from really messing things up by jumping to warp and staying at warp while it strafes the Judgement from near-complete and total safety?
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Post by Jedi Master Spock » Tue May 26, 2009 9:47 pm

Episode 05, "Unwilling Guests," is up! We have a rather more complex array of questions to answer, and many of these are much more technical in nature - and, in some cases, oft-debated!

We shall have to resolve them carefully.
  • How many non-humans are among the crew of the Cheron?
  • What particle is involved with the bolts the Y-wings fired upon the rebel freighter, disabling it?
  • Are those flak bursts surrounding the ship? Shield flares? Or what?
  • What happens to the Rebels? (featured question in top-line poll).
  • Also, what shall the Imperial technician and Federation security crewman be?
  • Perhaps more importantly, of what species is this imposing large individual? It's not human!
  • Last, but not least, when a Venator Star Destroyer, aka Republic Attack Cruiser, suddenly fires upon an Ambassador class starship as the latter attempts to beam back its away team, what happens?
Note this last question is a complex one, involving several critical points - such as are the shields going to be up and if not, will they be able to raise them in time, and then what sort of damage if any do we expect to see?

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Post by Sift Green » Tue May 26, 2009 11:54 pm

How many non-humans are among the crew of the Cheron?

My best guess would be about 15% of the crew, going off of my perception of TNG era background Alien crew.

What happens to the Rebels?

The story would be more interesting if they survive...

Perhaps more importantly, of what species is this imposing large individual? It's not human!

Could he be a Gorn?

Last, but not least, when a Venator Star Destroyer, aka Republic Attack Cruiser, suddenly fires upon an Ambassador class starship as the latter attempts to beam back its away team, what happens?

I would imagine that the first shot would hit before the shields go up, But the away team will be successfully retrieved and the shields raised before the Ambassador-class is hit too many times.

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Post by Airlocke_Jedi_Knight » Wed May 27, 2009 4:22 am

One or two shots beat the shields...Cause decent damage, hull breach, nothing major, though. Star Wars Capital ships normally just vent atmosphere after the first couple hull hits. I'm betting the Cheron would do the same.

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Post by Jedi Master Spock » Wed May 27, 2009 4:53 am

Sift Green wrote:Could he be a Gorn?
We really still don't know much about the Gorn - it's definitely an allowable possibility. Gorn are typically large and imposing.
Last, but not least, when a Venator Star Destroyer, aka Republic Attack Cruiser, suddenly fires upon an Ambassador class starship as the latter attempts to beam back its away team, what happens?

I would imagine that the first shot would hit before the shields go up, But the away team will be successfully retrieved and the shields raised before the Ambassador-class is hit too many times.
I will say that if the beaming process is completed before raising shields, that usually takes several long seconds. There's also the question in there, importantly, of whether the Cheron will be able to beam its away team out - as it may well be standard procedure for Imperial crews to raise shields when it comes to shooting.

I suspect myself that if the Cheron is late raising shields, it risks getting hit by by not necessarily one or two shots, perhaps rather one or two volleys of shots - each likely numerous normal shots, or quite possibly one of the very large bolts we see on rare occasions.

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Post by Airlocke_Jedi_Knight » Wed May 27, 2009 5:37 am

If that is the case, then the Cherron would take massive damage. Also, it is likely that the SD would choose to get some Y-wings close enough, under guise of an escort, to take a few pot shots at the Cherron. An SD would NEVER fire on another ship without fighters in attack range. So, unless this Molan Zhett is throwing procedure to the solar winds, the Cherron would be taking hits from Proton torpedoes and concussion missiles, as well.

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Thu May 28, 2009 6:38 pm

Jedi Master Spock wrote: [*]Perhaps more importantly, of what species is this imposing large individual? It's not human!
Instead of a Gorn, you could also make this reptillian being a Saurian, as seen here from ST:TMP. The background material describes them thusly:

"These were a lizard-like people who were very intelligent and made excellent officers. They had the unusual ability to breathe several different gases, which made them useful members of landing parties. They were also very strong and had four hearts."

So if you follow that, this guy, be he Gorn or Saurian, could be a key player in thwarting the Imperials' neferious plot!
Jedi Master Spock wrote:[*]Last, but not least, when a Venator Star Destroyer, aka Republic Attack Cruiser, suddenly fires upon an Ambassador class starship as the latter attempts to beam back its away team, what happens?[/list]

Note this last question is a complex one, involving several critical points - such as are the shields going to be up and if not, will they be able to raise them in time, and then what sort of damage if any do we expect to see?
One thing I'am rather suprised about continuity-wise is that the Judgement was able to power up it's weapons without the Cheron's sensors detecting them. Given what was previously established in the story about the sensitivity of Cheron's sensors, it really is rather jarring. Unless that was your intention...
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Post by Jedi Master Spock » Thu May 28, 2009 8:58 pm

Mike DiCenso wrote:
Jedi Master Spock wrote: [*]Perhaps more importantly, of what species is this imposing large individual? It's not human!
Instead of a Gorn, you could also make this reptillian being a Saurian, as seen here from ST:TMP. The background material describes them thusly:

"These were a lizard-like people who were very intelligent and made excellent officers. They had the unusual ability to breathe several different gases, which made them useful members of landing parties. They were also very strong and had four hearts."

So if you follow that, this guy, be he Gorn or Saurian, could be a key player in thwarting the Imperials' neferious plot!
Also possible, though Mr. Hoq, the helmsman, is also a Saurian. That would make two of them. The large imposing crewman is not necessarily reptilian, incidentally. He can be anything, provided he's large and imposing.
One thing I'am rather suprised about continuity-wise is that the Judgement was able to power up it's weapons without the Cheron's sensors detecting them. Given what was previously established in the story about the sensitivity of Cheron's sensors, it really is rather jarring. Unless that was your intention...
-Mike
It was my intention for it to be somewhat striking. The Judgment has been only a few orders away from firing for this entire time.

The Cheron's sensors did detect the weapons going live at the start of their firing sequence. There was a small delay, however, between that happening and Captain Robinson getting notice from an ensign whose attention was elsewhere at that exact moment, looking at the readings from the dining room. It might seem a little contrived, but as I see it, anyone can get caught with their pants down if they get careless.

So the question is what happens - how quickly does it take how many turbolaser bolts to arrive, versus how quickly does it take the Cheron to complete the beam-out and/or raise its shields? Then, that question answered, what effect would the bolts that hit (if any) have on the Cheron?

Another question, I suppose, is why the concussion grenades showed up, but that's one that I would rather answer myself in the story itself.

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Post by Sift Green » Thu May 28, 2009 10:29 pm

So the question is what happens - how quickly does it take how many turbolaser bolts to arrive, versus how quickly does it take the Cheron to complete the beam-out and/or raise its shields? Then, that question answered, what effect would the bolts that hit (if any) have on the Cheron?

So the key question is; How far away is the Cheron from the Judgment right now? Is it on the edge of the Judgments firing range, or farther inside? And what is the observed Imperial Accuracy at that range? The farther away the Cheron is, the odds of them raising the shields and getting the away team out increase dramatically. Have you already given us a distance, and if so, has it changed any?

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Fri May 29, 2009 1:40 am

That is a good point, Sift. I don't recall off hand if there was a specific distance stated, though the probe was stated to be 50 kilometers from the Judgement. Also there is no indication that the two ships got closer to one another at all, either, except in the beginning of the story when the Judgement tried to close on the Cheron, and the Federation starship kept her distance.

At any rate, range would be important here for weapons effects as would the intention of the Imperials since they may only be attempting the capture the Federation ship.
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Post by Jedi Master Spock » Fri May 29, 2009 8:07 pm

Mike DiCenso wrote:That is a good point, Sift. I don't recall off hand if there was a specific distance stated, though the probe was stated to be 50 kilometers from the Judgement. Also there is no indication that the two ships got closer to one another at all, either, except in the beginning of the story when the Judgement tried to close on the Cheron, and the Federation starship kept her distance.

At any rate, range would be important here for weapons effects as would the intention of the Imperials since they may only be attempting the capture the Federation ship.
-Mike
Yup, there's no range stated.

The only thing we really know is that since the Judgment is firing at the Cheron, it can at least make out the position of the Cheron on its rangefinders, and that the Judgment has been able to discern details about the Cheron directly from its own sensors. I'm thinking that may put an upper limit on how far away the Cheron can be, depending on how good you think SW sensors are.

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Post by Jedi Master Spock » Sat May 30, 2009 10:55 pm

So far, nobody wants to kill off Aiyira, I see.

I'm counting votes on the other issues, too, so even if you just agree with what someone else has said. please do weigh in.

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Sat May 30, 2009 11:01 pm

Which could be from a few hundred to several tens of thousands of kilometers, of course...
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