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What is CRITICAL LINE A?

Corellia
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Another "known" system in the Corellian sector
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Another "known" system, but not in the Corellian sector
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No votes
Some random backwater system not listed on Wookieepedia
2
50%
 
Total votes: 4

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Post by Airlocke_Jedi_Knight » Sun May 31, 2009 3:01 am

Of course no one wants to kill off the rebel twi'lek. Twileks are just awesome that way. I still think the imperials probably get her, though. Storm troopers are just too awesome to not find her in a locker, and the Cherron's crew just seems to be caught with their pants around their ankles.

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Post by Who is like God arbour » Sun May 31, 2009 8:29 am

The sound of blasters firing filled the ship. Then, the march of booted feet. Aiyira shivered every time they walked past the locker she'd hidden in, but they never opened it. Minutes later, another metallic shudder announced that the danger had passed.
Is this not what more or less has happened in A New Hope?
The stormtroopers weren't able to find Han, Luke, Chewie and Ben, although they too were only hidden in a kind of locker. Okay, their locker was a secret chamber but with their alleged advanced integrated Multi-Frequency Targeting and Acquisition System (MFTAS), that contains a sophisticated sensor suite which ties into an integrated computer core, they should have been able to find these secret chambers as easily as the locker in which Aiyira has hidden.

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:50 am

The ANH novelization does not indicate any special shielding for the Falcon's smuggling compartments. Only a handful of EU references indicate some kind of sensor-proof shielding. It is interesting to note that the Imperials could not scan the Falcon from afar for life forms, or even once it was in the bay until the ill-fated scanner crew went aboard with all that bulky equipment. All of which is very curious given the that Vader's ISD was able to scan for life forms aboard in the Tantive lifepods, though even then they could not distinguish droids.
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Post by Airlocke_Jedi_Knight » Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:32 am

Mike DiCenso wrote:The ANH novelization does not indicate any special shielding for the Falcon's smuggling compartments. Only a handful of EU references indicate some kind of sensor-proof shielding. It is interesting to note that the Imperials could not scan the Falcon from afar for life forms, or even once it was in the bay until the ill-fated scanner crew went aboard with all that bulky equipment. All of which is very curious given the that Vader's ISD was able to scan for life forms aboard in the Tantive lifepods, though even then they could not distinguish droids.
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Oh, c'mon, if the Death Star had been able to scan for life from afar, there would not have been a movie. You just have to accept some things.


JMs, I must ask, have given up finishing your crossover? That's too bad.

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:53 am

The Death Star being able to scan from afar would have been fine. So they know there's people on board. Big deal. Vader and Tarkin's plan would have been all that more insidious fromt he get-go because they would have been fully aware of what was going on, and let the whole thing go down as part of their plan to find the Rebel base. It would have also gone a long way towards explaining the apparent incompetence of the Stormtroopers.
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Post by Airlocke_Jedi_Knight » Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:04 am

I guess you're right on that one...

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Post by Jedi Master Spock » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:19 am

Airlocke_Jedi_Knight wrote:JMs, I must ask, have given up finishing your crossover? That's too bad.
IIRC, the next installment was at least halfway complete. It's been a very busy time IRL, and most of my "SFJ time" has been allocated to updating the functioning of the site.

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:13 pm

I'am glad to see that you haven't quit working on the YAWCF story, JMS. It's been great fun, and I'd hate to see it end before it really gets interesting!
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Post by Airlocke_Jedi_Knight » Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:30 pm

Jedi Master Spock wrote:
Airlocke_Jedi_Knight wrote:JMs, I must ask, have given up finishing your crossover? That's too bad.
IIRC, the next installment was at least halfway complete. It's been a very busy time IRL, and most of my "SFJ time" has been allocated to updating the functioning of the site.
I can understand this. I've posted parts of two or three stories on here and haven't gotten around to even a second entry...

I haven't checked this site in well over a month, been busy with college. You guys seem to have been busy in my absence...

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Post by Jedi Master Spock » Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:49 am

Surprise! New episode!

We now need the following questions answered:
  • Featured question: Can Shovas and Hoq get back to the shuttle? Or will they be brutally gunned down by stormtroopers?
  • Specifically, we need to ask ourselves this: How useful are phasers on stun going to be against stormtroopers, and how useful will blaster stuns be against a Gorn security officer holding a table in front of him?
  • How many stormtroopers die when the Zabrak sets off his thermal detonator?
  • Last time, we determined that the Cheron, if caught with its shields down, would take a certain amount of damage. After finally raising shields, the Cheron takes some more hits from the Judgment and its fighters. What percentage are the shields at?
  • The Cheron is returning fire - phasers on the fighters, and a couple volleys of photon torpedoes at the Judgment. What's that going to do to Captain Zhet's forces?
We also have two new characters to name. One tactical officer, male, on the USS Cheron, rank unspecified, and the captain of the Klingon BoP Yoj.

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Post by Praeothmin » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:54 pm

Jedi Master Spock wrote:Surprise! New episode!

We now need the following questions answered:
  • Featured question: Can Shovas and Hoq get back to the shuttle? Or will they be brutally gunned down by stormtroopers?
  • Specifically, we need to ask ourselves this: How useful are phasers on stun going to be against stormtroopers, and how useful will blaster stuns be against a Gorn security officer holding a table in front of him?
  • How many stormtroopers die when the Zabrak sets off his thermal detonator?
  • Last time, we determined that the Cheron, if caught with its shields down, would take a certain amount of damage. After finally raising shields, the Cheron takes some more hits from the Judgment and its fighters. What percentage are the shields at?
  • The Cheron is returning fire - phasers on the fighters, and a couple volleys of photon torpedoes at the Judgment. What's that going to do to Captain Zhet's forces?
We also have two new characters to name. One tactical officer, male, on the USS Cheron, rank unspecified, and the captain of the Klingon BoP Yoj.
-The Stormtroopers will capture them after a furious fight;
-10-12 Stormtroopers should die with the Thermal;
-The shields should be at 60%, since the original hits did some serious damage to the ship, and it has to shut down the Warp Core;
-The Phasers of course will destroy the fighters, and the Torpedoes' damage will depend on how many Torpedoes there are per volley: 50% shields if 4-5 Torpedoes per volley, no shields if Galaxy like volley of 8-10 Torpedoes...

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:32 pm

Jedi Master Spock wrote:
  • Featured question: Can Shovas and Hoq get back to the shuttle? Or will they be brutally gunned down by stormtroopers?
That depends largely on how much you want to wank up their Script Immunity. ;-)
Jedi Master Spock wrote:[*]Specifically, we need to ask ourselves this: How useful are phasers on stun going to be against stormtroopers, and how useful will blaster stuns be against a Gorn security officer holding a table in front of him?
Phasers on maximum stun setting and close range widefield spread should be fairly effective at at least dazing, if not outright knocking out the Stormies. However it should come at the price of the phaser power packs getting drained very quickly, forcing our Federation heroes into switching back to standard narrow beam to conserve power.

As for the Gorn security officer, I wouldn't have him take more than two or three hits, unless you really want to go overboard on the melodrama here and have him go down taking dozens of hits. You should also consider which Gorn you are using here: the one from TOS that is slower than crap, but super-strong (that one lifted a spheroidal bolder one and a half meters wide above his head and threw it 3-4 meters out in front of him over a cliff for chrissake!) and got bonked by a similar sized boulder rolled down a cliff by Kirk and was only merely stunned unconscious for a minute or two. Or the upgraded CGI Gorn as seen in ST:ENT, which was somewhat faster and more nimble, though slower than a human, but still extremely tough and strong as well as cunning.
Jedi Master Spock wrote:[*]How many stormtroopers die when the Zabrak sets off his thermal detonator?
About 4-12 Stormies die or are wounded, mostly from the blast's concussion effects.
Jedi Master Spock wrote:[*]Last time, we determined that the Cheron, if caught with its shields down, would take a certain amount of damage. After finally raising shields, the Cheron takes some more hits from the Judgment and its fighters. What percentage are the shields at?
Let's see, shields on impulse power only should be considerably weaker than warp core powered ones, so they should be down a considerable amount, probably between 40-60%, with individual shields in danger of collapsing altogether.
Jedi Master Spock wrote:[*]The Cheron is returning fire - phasers on the fighters, and a couple volleys of photon torpedoes at the Judgment. What's that going to do to Captain Zhet's forces?
The Ambassador class does have linear phaser arrays, though smaller than the Galaxy class arrays, they should still be able to pull off the rapid point-defense fire like what the E-D did to the Lysian drones, or Voyager did to the Vaadwaur's heavy fighters in "Dragon's Teeth". The torpedoes should do some heavy damage to the fusion powered Judgement, not fatal, or even really very serious, but enough to perhaps buy the Cheron time to escape.
Jedi Master Spock wrote:We also have two new characters to name. One tactical officer, male, on the USS Cheron, rank unspecified, and the captain of the Klingon BoP Yoj.
Is the tac officer human or other? As for the Klingon, howabout something like "Klaarg"?
-Mike
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Post by Mike DiCenso » Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:38 pm

Oh by the way, Praeothmin. You may want to go over to ASVS and let Airlocke know that JMS finally updated the YAWCF story.
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Post by Jedi Master Spock » Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:48 pm

Don't forget to vote in the actual poll! The new board software allows you to pick multiple options and change your vote, so there's no reason to be hesitant or cautious. Also, I forgot to include one option, so if you voted before, you're going to have to re-vote if you want it to be counted.
Mike DiCenso wrote:Let's see, shields on impulse power only should be considerably weaker than warp core powered ones, so they should be down a considerable amount, probably between 40-60%, with individual shields in danger of collapsing altogether.
IMO, shields as a rule are powered off the impulse power grid normally, at least in the TNG+ era - see "Hero Worship," where warp power to shields is the last resort. Key line in that episode:

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LAFORGE: Fusion reactors four through nine into the shield array. That should double the shield strength.
"Elaan of Troyius" might seem ungenerous to ships lacking warp power, but still, we have this line:

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Our shields will hold for a few passes,
but without the matter- anti-matter reactor,
we've no chance.
It might be that system redundancy has improved from TOS to TNG; we're looking at an Ambassador class here in the "Yesterday's Enterprise" era between those two. There's also a line in "Yesterday's Enterprise" regarding the Ambassador class and the Galaxy class:

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TASHA YAR: Deflector shield technology has advanced considerably during the war. Our heat dissipation rates are probably double those of the Enterprise-C, which means we can hang in a firefight a lot longer.
It's an alternate timeline, granted, but that's probably the only canon bit of data we have regarding the shields of the Ambassador within the period this story is set.
Is the tac officer human or other? As for the Klingon, howabout something like "Klaarg"?
-Mike
Tac officer's species is not specified. We did establish earlier that most of the crew is human and exactly how many alien crewmembers are aboard the Cheron, but we haven't run out of alien crewmembers yet (so far, we have Mr. Hoq, Crewman Slar, Lieutenant Mzz'kiti, Commander Shovas, and an as-yet unnamed commissioned Andorian officer, out of seventy-five alien crewmembers).
Praeothmin wrote:-The Phasers of course will destroy the fighters, and the Torpedoes' damage will depend on how many Torpedoes there are per volley: 50% shields if 4-5 Torpedoes per volley, no shields if Galaxy like volley of 8-10 Torpedoes...
Well, it's an Ambassador class. I'm frankly not sure how many torpedoes should be in each full spread, we don't see Ambassadors shooting very often. We're going to have to guess.

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:38 am

Mike DiCenso wrote:Let's see, shields on impulse power only should be considerably weaker than warp core powered ones, so they should be down a considerable amount, probably between 40-60%, with individual shields in danger of collapsing altogether.
Jedi Master Spock wrote: IMO, shields as a rule are powered off the impulse power grid normally, at least in the TNG+ era - see "Hero Worship," where warp power to shields is the last resort.


Yes, which as the quotes you provided show, there is a bit of inconsistancy since as far back as TOS... in fact all throughout TOS, it is implied or stated that shields are powered usually off warp power. An example is where Scotty in "The Changeling" diverts all warp power into the shields to buy more time against Nomad's onslaught. It is pretty much a given that a starship can switch power sources, though impulse power provides weaker shields.

TNG is an oddity since routinely the ship in the first couple of seasons seems to use warp power into the shields. It is also implied as it is throughout Trek that shields at as capacitors that you can "power up" with a charge from any source, and then as the shields take hits, that charge is expended at greater or lesser rates (See "Relics" as an example), which in that case using impulse power makes sense since the shields don't need constant power dumped into them except when they get knocked down, and knocked down very quickly. In which case dumping warp into them makes sense over the lesser impulse power.
Mike DiCenso wrote:Is the tac officer human or other? As for the Klingon, howabout something like "Klaarg"?
Jedi Master Spock wrote: Tac officer's species is not specified. We did establish earlier that most of the crew is human and exactly how many alien crewmembers are aboard the Cheron, but we haven't run out of alien crewmembers yet (so far, we have Mr. Hoq, Crewman Slar, Lieutenant Mzz'kiti, Commander Shovas, and an as-yet unnamed commissioned Andorian officer, out of seventy-five alien crewmembers).
This is a parody, so howabout considering the first names Spiff and Bill?
Praeothmin wrote:-The Phasers of course will destroy the fighters, and the Torpedoes' damage will depend on how many Torpedoes there are per volley: 50% shields if 4-5 Torpedoes per volley, no shields if Galaxy like volley of 8-10 Torpedoes...
Jedi Master Spock wrote: Well, it's an Ambassador class. I'm frankly not sure how many torpedoes should be in each full spread, we don't see Ambassadors shooting very often. We're going to have to guess.
I'm not sure what year it is set in for the Star Trek side of things. The klingon commander's attitude indicates it is set around the 2340's before the E-C saves the Klingon's outpost on Narendra III? That makes all the difference from a technological standpoint.
-Mike

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