Star Wars Cloaking Devices

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Re: Star Wars Cloaking Devices

Post by Picard » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:22 pm

Praeothmin wrote:
KSW Clone 14 wrote:In "The Outrageous Okuna," Picard says that lasers won't even cut through the navigational deflectors of the Enterprise, and that they could fire until their batteries ran dry and it wouldn't hurt the ship. And that's just the nav-deflectors; the combat-deflector shields would be even stronger.
This has been called a "no-limits fallacy," but deflectors seem to bend actual space rather than absorbing attacks like SW shields do, so it would take an awful lot of raw energy to cut through them.

As for cloaking-devices, SW cloaks aren't graviton-based, so the ship's mass would still be there, and that would be plain to ST sensors.
Prove it!
Or admit this is just bullshit...
Wait... guy's really got fourteen sockpuppets?

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Re: Star Wars Cloaking Devices

Post by Praeothmin » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:24 pm

Oh, I think MauricWindows was his 16th or 17th... :-)

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Re: Star Wars Cloaking Devices

Post by Trinoya » Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:51 am

We do know that if a cloaking ship should do something very energy intensive that a small section of the cloak drops into the visible spectrum for the duration (the cloaked BOP firing was visible when firing for half a second at its torpedo launcher).

The romulans, at some point, removed this as a problem (Scimitar), still it remains an interesting note, and also implies that for the TOS era that a very brief light emission wouldn't be enough to target effectively.

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Re: Star Wars Cloaking Devices

Post by Picard » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:19 pm

Actually, they did not; if you watch Scimitar fire, there are brief disturbances of cloaking field. It does show that Star Trek sensors require some time before acquiring target, just as modern radars do.

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Re: Star Wars Cloaking Devices

Post by Trinoya » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:13 am

I'll need to find a more high def version of the battle (my old low quality one doesn't really show anything).

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Re: Star Wars Cloaking Devices

Post by Jasonb » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:22 pm

Picard wrote:Regarding Federation WMD's (other than torpedoes, obviously) - Starfleet might not use them, but I have no problem imagining Section 31 blowing up couple of planets. Althought they usually do things "cleaner" way.
In practice terms photon torpedo cause star to go nova even by mistake we saw happen once TNG. Section 31 we know at least one kind WMD that not a biological weapon there no reason to believe they did not have others. We heard about that one in DS9 Extreme Measures. However know Section 31 not powerful enough to stop Borg petty be necessarily evil if they that good. Strong evidence Section 31 has cloaking technology.

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Re: Star Wars Cloaking Devices

Post by 2046 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:07 am

So after rewatching Improbable Cause and TDiC, I can find no evidence that Tain's Warbird was cloaked at any time when we can see out the window. In fact, the one time they are in Tain's office and explicitly cloaked, weird camera angles are used and the windows are not seen.

I would go so far as to say they were avoiding the topic.

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