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Who would win in a war between the Empire from Star Wars and the United Federation or Planets for Star Trek?

Poll ended at Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:59 am

The Empire wins easily and quickly.
2
9%
The Empire wins in a long, drawn out war.
2
9%
Neither side can make much head way and the war ends in a treaty.
7
30%
The Federation wins in a long, hard fought war.
9
39%
The Federation wins easily and quickly.
3
13%
 
Total votes: 23

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Post by Who is like God arbour » Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:13 am

watchdog wrote:Another interesting point is that we hardly ever see any Jedi or Sith use the Force without first waving ther hand through the air, I mean Luke was able to levitate 3-PO around while he was tied up, but when they aren't tied up they're waving their hands all over the place.
But Luke had to concentrate very strong to do it: Close his eyes and deep breaths and all that. Not really a battlefit state.

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Post by watchdog » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:44 am

The question I have is, what does it mean? does waving your hand through the air make the Force easier to manipulate? Or is there something else going on?

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Post by Who is like God arbour » Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:54 am

I'm sorry, but I have no Midi-chlorians. I can't really know.

But it seems to be clear: Usually you have to wave about with your hands to use the Force.
  • If it would be unnecessary they wouldn't do it always - especially in situations in which such gestures could be suspect.
    A good example would be the gesture which goes along with the Jedi-Mind-Trick. Watto has nearly guessed that Qui-Gonn Jinn was a Jedi because his gestures.
    Another example would be the manipulations of the dice from Watto. If he would have seen the gesture - and would have known that Qui-Gonn Jinn was a Jedi - he would have surly called the Hutts.
    Sometimes it is a little bit too blatant.
If you can't wave about with your hands, you have to really concentrate on using the Force. Nothing you could do during a battle or another situation which demand elevated concentration.

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Post by mojo » Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:47 pm

Can you imagine how boring it would be if they didn't wave their hands around? I mean, imagine the Yoda/Dooku duel in AotC if they both just stood there doing their best 'Lando needs more fiber' impressions. And in the chaos of a big battle like in the coliseum, also in AotC, it would be impossible to tell who's doing what with all the force pushes and whatnot. Plus, it looks cool.

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Post by Praeothmin » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:59 am

The hand gestures probably help concentration.

Example:
In video games, when you have a very difficult jump to accomplish with a character, what do you do?
At the lastinstant, you move the controller around as if the move helped the jump.
It doesn't, but it helps you concentrate while making your character jump... :)

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Post by TheRedFear » Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:21 am

Mr. Oragahn wrote:Therefore, you'll love the latest E3 trailer about Force Unleashed, or where some Sith Apprentice holds an ISD mid air, and forces it to crash on a city.

WTF;

Palpatine's best TK trick, at the height of his power, with Jedi fluid largely weakened thorough the galaxy? Send senate flying saucers down on Yoda (who struggled to stop one).
One should note the creators of Force Unleashed set out with the specific intent of wildly overblown and disproprotionate feats of power in mind, knowing full well that what they were creating deviated considerably from Canon.

Mostly because they felt it simply made for more fun gameplay. That if you could force shove a guy onto his butt, or threw three walls, pushing him through three walls was more fun and more cool. It in no way reflects an intent on their part to try and canonize insanely over inflated Force powers. It's just cinematic flare.

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Post by Mr. Oragahn » Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:51 pm

TheRedFear wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote:Therefore, you'll love the latest E3 trailer about Force Unleashed, or where some Sith Apprentice holds an ISD mid air, and forces it to crash on a city.

WTF;

Palpatine's best TK trick, at the height of his power, with Jedi fluid largely weakened thorough the galaxy? Send senate flying saucers down on Yoda (who struggled to stop one).
One should note the creators of Force Unleashed set out with the specific intent of wildly overblown and disproprotionate feats of power in mind, knowing full well that what they were creating deviated considerably from Canon.

Mostly because they felt it simply made for more fun gameplay. That if you could force shove a guy onto his butt, or threw three walls, pushing him through three walls was more fun and more cool. It in no way reflects an intent on their part to try and canonize insanely over inflated Force powers. It's just cinematic flare.
That "cinematic flare" is considered canon in the EU policy.
Have they made any announcement to debunk the canonicity of this?
Should this story content be affiliated to an alternative storyline (and even then, I don't see how it would fit)?
Or is there an exaplanation as how these guys suddenly get so much power (Force source, etc.)?

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Post by Cpl Kendall » Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:08 pm

It depends if the events occuring are "game mechanics" or are part of cut scenes or movies etc. If you pull down a Star Destroyer from orbit with the force in a cut scene then it's canon but I believe if you do it during game play then it's non-canon according to my understanding of canon structure.

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Post by TheRedFear » Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:28 am

Mr. Oragahn wrote:
TheRedFear wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote:Therefore, you'll love the latest E3 trailer about Force Unleashed, or where some Sith Apprentice holds an ISD mid air, and forces it to crash on a city.

WTF;

Palpatine's best TK trick, at the height of his power, with Jedi fluid largely weakened thorough the galaxy? Send senate flying saucers down on Yoda (who struggled to stop one).
One should note the creators of Force Unleashed set out with the specific intent of wildly overblown and disproprotionate feats of power in mind, knowing full well that what they were creating deviated considerably from Canon.

Mostly because they felt it simply made for more fun gameplay. That if you could force shove a guy onto his butt, or threw three walls, pushing him through three walls was more fun and more cool. It in no way reflects an intent on their part to try and canonize insanely over inflated Force powers. It's just cinematic flare.
That "cinematic flare" is considered canon in the EU policy.
Have they made any announcement to debunk the canonicity of this?
Should this story content be affiliated to an alternative storyline (and even then, I don't see how it would fit)?
Or is there an exaplanation as how these guys suddenly get so much power (Force source, etc.)?
I need to dig up my issue of Game Informer with the article, but I THINK the main character is supposed to be exceptional in some manner.

But after reading about Palpatine's Wormhole creation technique, I'd say this isn't really a deviation from standard EU Wankery

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Post by TheRedFear » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:17 am

Nope, no real info given about the main character one way or the other, besides that he's a "He" and he will be given a name.

Still like I said, just looks like all the usual EU Wankery is simply being put in a videogame rather than a novel.

One I expect will be alot of fun to play.

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