Star Wars Cloaking Devices

[Mike DiCenso]

As seen in TCW's "Cat and Mouse", the prototype cloaking device on Anakin's stealth ship is similar in operation to Star Trek cloaking device, including the shimmering in and out effect as it goes invisible, and even blocks most sensorss, though Admiral Trench was able to defeat the cloak using torpedoes that lock onto an enemy ship's magnetic signature.
-Mike

[User1619]

And yet some 25 years later in the G-canon, Captain Piett or whoever said that NO ship that size has a cloaking-device.
And G-canon beats T-canon, so clearly we're looking at a EU-ism.

And if the ship even has a magnetic signature, than it would be a beacon for ST sensors from almost any distance.

[Enterprise E]

That doesn't contradict what Piett said. The stealth ship seemed to be at least a hundred meters or so in length. It was definitely noticeably bigger than the Millenium Falcon, so in my mind, there is no contradiction.

[User1619]

That doesn't contradict what Piett said. The stealth ship seemed to be at least a hundred meters or so in length. It was definitely noticeably bigger than the Millenium Falcon, so in my mind, there is no contradiction.

Ok, I thought you meant Anakin's fighter.
Still there's the question of turning invisible, vs. simply fooling scanners via ECM.

In Ep. V, Piett was responding to the statement that the Falcon "has disappeared from our scanners."

SW shields are not graviton-based, so those fusion-generators couldn't possibly generate enough power to make a ship actually invisible, let alone hide its warp-signature or gravity.

Fooling SW sensors is pretty easy compared to ST sensors; it's like playing hide and seek with a blind person vs. a bloodhound.

[Mike DiCenso]

Yet in TCW's "Cat and Mouse" we see a cloaking device in action that is very much like a Star Trek one, although it was a prototype vessel and cloak, and it was mounted on a ship far larger than the Millenium Falcon.
-Mike

[User1619]

Yet in TCW's "Cat and Mouse" we see a cloaking device in action that is very much like a Star Trek one, although it was a prototype vessel and cloak, and it was mounted on a ship far larger than the Millenium Falcon.
-Mike

But that's just an optical illusion since it's EM-based, not graviton. In The Enterprise Incident, Scotty said that the Romulan cloaking device hooked into the Enterprise's deflector-shield control; so it would be likewise graviton-based and hide the ship's mass and warp-signature as well as its simple EM-signature.

The SW cloak couldn't fool ST scans for mass and warp-signature etc., which would be unaffected.

[Praeothmin]

But that's just an optical illusion since it's EM-based, not graviton.

Which you will now prove using evidence from TCW, right?

[Picard]

What examples of Star Wars graviton tech we have?

Plus, can someone explain me how ST shields do NOT turn ships invisible, since they are graviton-based (REF: Star Trek: Generations, shows that ST shields have gravitational, subspace and EM components)? Thanks in advance.

[Mith]

What examples of Star Wars graviton tech we have?

Plus, can someone explain me how ST shields do NOT turn ships invisible, since they are graviton-based (REF: Star Trek: Generations, shows that ST shields have gravitational, subspace and EM components)? Thanks in advance.

They do visibly turn ships invisible. We see that in Voyage Home.

[Praeothmin]

ST shields turn ships invisible?

[Mike DiCenso]

Depends on how you define "invisible". In TOS' "Tomorrow is Yesterday", the deflector do provide some protection:

SPOCK: We've achieved a stable orbit out of Earth's atmosphere. Our deflectors are operative, enough to prevent our being picked up again as a UFO. And Mister Scott wishes to speak to you about the engines.

So against at least primitive systems, like late 20th century radar, it can provide some kind of stealth ability. However, one might posit from Spock's statement that it even can provide some visual invisiblity since light would presumably be still hitting the Enterprise, and the ship is big enough and bright enough that it would not take long for it spotted visually in orbit around the Earth.
-Mike

[Cocytus]

As I recall, Torres and Chakotay also modified their shuttle's shields to look like a jet fighter in "Future's End."

[Khas]

What examples of Star Wars graviton tech we have?

Plus, can someone explain me how ST shields do NOT turn ships invisible, since they are graviton-based (REF: Star Trek: Generations, shows that ST shields have gravitational, subspace and EM components)? Thanks in advance.

They do visibly turn ships invisible. We see that in Voyage Home.

I thought that was just the KBoP's cloaking device.

[Praeothmin]

As I recall, Torres and Chakotay also modified their shuttle's shields to look like a jet fighter in "Future's End."

Using holograms, perhaps?

[User1626]

What examples of Star Wars graviton tech we have?

Plus, can someone explain me how ST shields do NOT turn ships invisible, since they are graviton-based (REF: Star Trek: Generations, shows that ST shields have gravitational, subspace and EM components)? Thanks in advance.

They do visibly turn ships invisible. We see that in Voyage Home.

I thought that was just the KBoP's cloaking device.

It was. Shields don't turn a ship invisible because they are "screens" which only affect certain frequencies and levels of EM radiation.
Likewise if they stopped or deflected all visible light, then you'd see a big black blob or a shiny mirror-type thing, it wouldn't be invisible.
To be invisible, the shields have to bend light around the ship like a circus-trick using mirrors, so that the light and other sensor-beams end up where it was going anyway; that's how the Romulan cloak worked, since it plugged into the ship's deflector-shield in "The Enterprise Incident." They even mask the ship's mass so there's no graviton-emissions, since this would be detected.
However in "Tomorrow is Yesterday," the Enterprise is able to use their shields to remain unobserved apparently since there would be no radar bounceback.