Why I think UFP longer number big starships

[Jedi Master Spock]

Using EU crew totals and lengths:
ISD: 1400 m^3 of ship per crew
MCC: 3300 m^3 of ship per crew
TIV: 1400 m^3 of ship per crew

CCS (TOS): 500 m^3 of ship per crew
GCS (TNG): 5800 m^3 of ship per crew
ICS (VOY): 4400 m^3 of ship per crew

In the TNG+ era, we have an awful lot of ship for the amount of crew running around. Nowhere is this more extremely demonstrated than in "Interface," in which a Nebula-class vessel has a crew of 400 - meaning 11,000 m^3 of ship per crewman!

Yes, that's a 20x22x25m box - or, on one 4m tall deck, a 110x25m hall.

[Mike DiCenso]

Nothing in the modern boats even approach the size of Warp Necelles.
Also keep in mind all the laboratories, sensor equipment, fusion plants, flight decks, storage, fuel, Phaser systems, Torpedo bays and launchers (which we don't see on cruise ships yet) and let's not forget that the crew quarters, even for lower ranking officers (Robin Lefler and others), seem pretty big compared to the passenger cabins of a cruise liner.
All of this may take up a lot of space...

Oddly enough, the only starships we've seen anything like the real life military practices of "Hotbunking" is on the NX-01, U.S.S. Excelsior, the U.S.S. Defiant. Most in particular on the Excelsior where we see clearly in ST6 and VOY's "Flashback" where at least a dozen or so crew are bunked up in the same room. We do not know, even thought the room was pretty spartan, if Starfleet on relatively crowded ships hotbunks.
-Mike

[Mike DiCenso]

CCS (TOS): 500 m^3 of ship per crew
GCS (TNG): 5800 m^3 of ship per crew
ICS (VOY): 4400 m^3 of ship per crew

In the TNG+ era, we have an awful lot of ship for the amount of crew running around. Nowhere is this more extremely demonstrated than in "Interface," in which a Nebula-class vessel has a crew of 400 - meaning 11,000 m^3 of ship per crewman!

Yes, that's a 20x22x25m box - or, on one 4m tall deck, a 110x25m hall.

Did you leave out the volume of the warp nacelles from those estimates?
-Mike

[The Dude]

Oddly enough, the only starships we've seen anything like the real life military practices of "Hotbunking" is on the NX-01, U.S.S. Excelsior, the U.S.S. Defiant. Most in particular on the Excelsior where we see clearly in ST6 and VOY's "Flashback" where at least a dozen or so crew are bunked up in the same room. We do not know, even thought the room was pretty spartan, if Starfleet on relatively crowded ships hotbunks.
-Mike

That doesn't happen much anymore. In fact in the RCN it's gone completely with the new Victoria class boats. The old Oberon was the last holdout. It's considered something of a health hazard to hotbunk now a days.

The US might still be doing it with the Los Angeles class but I'm not sure.

[Mike DiCenso]

Even on Ohio class boomers, with all their extra room compared to a Los Angeles attack sub, they still have to hotbunk, and last I heard, that still was the case at least a few years ago.
-Mike

[The Dude]

Even on Ohio class boomers, with all their extra room compared to a Los Angeles attack sub, they still have to hotbunk, and last I heard, that still was the case at least a few years ago.
-Mike

Really? Ugh...

[Mike DiCenso]

Shouldn't come as a terrible suprise if they still have the hotbunking practice since much of the Ohio class is dedicated to the 24 Trident missiles and their silo tubes as well as four torpedo tubes and storage of 21 torpedoes in the bow.
-Mike

[The Dude]

Shouldn't come as a terrible suprise if they still have the hotbunking practice since much of the Ohio class is dedicated to the 24 Trident missiles and their silo tubes as well as four torpedo tubes and storage of 21 torpedoes in the bow.
-Mike

It's not so much a surprise as it is disgusting.

Anyways, there really shouldn't be a reason why the practice would be in use by SF on all but the smallest ships, the Constitution and Excelsior classes are actually quite large, dwarfing a modern day carrier IIRC. So there should be enough room for everyone to have their own bunk.

Defiant I could understand, though even she seemed to have enough bunks for all. IIIRC Worf had one of those bunkrooms to himself.

[Mike DiCenso]

It's not so much a surprise as it is disgusting.

Call it what you will, but that's a submariner's life for you.

Anyways, there really shouldn't be a reason why the practice would be in use by SF on all but the smallest ships, the Constitution and Excelsior classes are actually quite large, dwarfing a modern day carrier IIRC. So there should be enough room for everyone to have their own bunk.

I never said that they had to, just that I was citing the closest thing we have seen to modern naval sleep arrangements for non-coms and junior officers. The Excelsiors so far seem to be the largest ship with a corresponding modest sized crew compliment.

Defiant I could understand, though even she seemed to have enough bunks for all. IIIRC Worf had one of those bunkrooms to himself.

Not suprising as he was often a CO for the ship and even in the smallest of WW-I and WW-II era submarines, the CO, XO and other command officers have often had their own private staterooms.
-Mike

[Picard]

Actually, 900 billion people figure represents civillians as well as military personell. That means Federation has population in range of 900 to 1200 billion people.

[Mike DiCenso]

That was already pretty much everyone, except Jason's conclusion here. The Federation could easily have betweeen 1 to 10 trillion in total population.
-Mike