I was watching First Contact the other day and when Lily started shooting Data, it reminded me of this topic. Data didn’t seem to mind being shot and there wasn’t any mention of him needing repairs afterward. If he can be so unaffected it seems that it wouldn’t be too hard a stretch to think that the Borg; with their outer coverings; would be similarly resistant without any kinetic energy shielding. Their exposed heads would mean that they are not completely invulnerable, even if their bodies are. But guns wouldn’t be the magic Borg solution that some think they would be even without any shields.
Just something I’ve never seen mentioned before, maybe because it’s dumb, but oh well.
The Whole Bullets Vs Borg thing
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TheRedFear
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That's a rather astute observation. Can't beleive I missed that.
If I were to try and explain it, I would say that maybe it's because Data is ALL Machine, whereas Borg are hard machine shell with creamy human(or whatever) filling.
Also, note the Voyager episode where Seven's parent are cataloguing the various kinds of Drones and note that Tactical drones have titanium armor. So there's no doubt they would wade through bullets without noticing them.
Whereas the Drones Picard shot had to be barebone basic. They'd just been turned(One even had remnants of his starfleet uniform still visible I beleive), and likely had minimal bells and whistles.
If I were to try and explain it, I would say that maybe it's because Data is ALL Machine, whereas Borg are hard machine shell with creamy human(or whatever) filling.
Also, note the Voyager episode where Seven's parent are cataloguing the various kinds of Drones and note that Tactical drones have titanium armor. So there's no doubt they would wade through bullets without noticing them.
Whereas the Drones Picard shot had to be barebone basic. They'd just been turned(One even had remnants of his starfleet uniform still visible I beleive), and likely had minimal bells and whistles.
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GStone
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What would be brought up next is Worf cutting through the drone's arm, but I don't remember if he cut through the armor in the middle of the forearm or at the elbow joint. If it was at the elbow joint, it could mean a weakspot in the armor. But, if it's not, the ability to cut through something depends on the force put behind the traveling item (bullet, sword, etc.), its sharpness, the angle it's moving in relation to the struck object and the object being hit itself.
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Sandyin
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These screen caps…
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/disp ... 136&pos=72
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/disp ... 36&pos=120
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/disp ... 36&pos=131
show the forearm being hit.
But arms generally don't get much in the way of armor. We make bulletproof vests rather than bulletproof shirts (or jackets, if you prefer). The weird this that the arm is still tethered to the Borg, meaning Worf didn't cut through everything.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/disp ... 136&pos=80
There was no sign of organic material in the arm, no blood or anything. Like when the Borg was hit in the neck.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/disp ... 136&pos=76
Given were the break occurred and the tether, one could make the argument that that Word didn't cut the arm off, rather, he caused it to "eject". The majority of Borg have one hand replaced with a tool/weapon it could be that both organic forearms are sometimes replaced. (It seems worth noting that Picard didn't have either arm removed but in ST:FC we see a crewmember being assimilated with one arm removed.) I swear I remember seeing a Borg remove their arm attachment but I can't think of where. If they are removable it makes a failing of the connection plausible.
Anyway, Data was shot all throughout the chest and back but still functioned normally. There didn't appear to be any exit wounds and if the bullets did fully penetrate, it seems unlikely Data would function perfectly normal. I would conclude that the bullets were stopped before they could penetrate very far and that it wasn't Data's lack of soft inside parts that saved him.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/disp ... 136&pos=72
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/disp ... 36&pos=120
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/disp ... 36&pos=131
show the forearm being hit.
But arms generally don't get much in the way of armor. We make bulletproof vests rather than bulletproof shirts (or jackets, if you prefer). The weird this that the arm is still tethered to the Borg, meaning Worf didn't cut through everything.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/disp ... 136&pos=80
There was no sign of organic material in the arm, no blood or anything. Like when the Borg was hit in the neck.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/disp ... 136&pos=76
Given were the break occurred and the tether, one could make the argument that that Word didn't cut the arm off, rather, he caused it to "eject". The majority of Borg have one hand replaced with a tool/weapon it could be that both organic forearms are sometimes replaced. (It seems worth noting that Picard didn't have either arm removed but in ST:FC we see a crewmember being assimilated with one arm removed.) I swear I remember seeing a Borg remove their arm attachment but I can't think of where. If they are removable it makes a failing of the connection plausible.
Anyway, Data was shot all throughout the chest and back but still functioned normally. There didn't appear to be any exit wounds and if the bullets did fully penetrate, it seems unlikely Data would function perfectly normal. I would conclude that the bullets were stopped before they could penetrate very far and that it wasn't Data's lack of soft inside parts that saved him.
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SailorSaturn13
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In "Endgame" Pt 2. The Borg Queen loses not just the hand, but the complete arm.Given were the break occurred and the tether, one could make the argument that that Word didn't cut the arm off, rather, he caused it to "eject". The majority of Borg have one hand replaced with a tool/weapon it could be that both organic forearms are sometimes replaced. (It seems worth noting that Picard didn't have either arm removed but in ST:FC we see a crewmember being assimilated with one arm removed.) I swear I remember seeing a Borg remove their arm attachment but I can't think of where. If they are removable it makes a failing of the connection plausible.