How many UFP commandoes would take over the Death star

[Youngla0450]

There is some 25,000 stormtroopers and 1 million other people (including officers, guards, etc.) on the Death Star, according to several Star Wars canon sources. 200 Federation commandos would not be enough to take over the Death Star.

[Praeothmin]

(Besides, we allready know that three or four hardly-inconspicous types can breach the DS-I security quite nicely. They only needed their scary jedi-powers a grand total of one time to make it through, so I see zero reason why an UFP strike team would not have similar chances.)

But the difference is, they weren't aiming to take over the DS, and Vader and Tarkin had planned to let them go, hence the lack of "real" security next to the MF, and the "measly" 4 Ties going after the MF when they escape...

And just because the new guy is "SW rulzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and ST suxorrrrrrrrzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" doesn't mean we need to stoop as low...

[Who is like God arbour]

There is some 25,000 stormtroopers and 1 million other people (including officers, guards, etc.) on the Death Star, according to several Star Wars canon sources. 200 Federation commandos would not be enough to take over the Death Star.

How many people does it take to press the buttons that are necessary to flood whole decks with anaesthetics, to create a vacuum on whole decks, to close blast shield doors or to activate the internal defence systems?

Of course, in a frontal attack, 200 Federation commandos wouldn't have the slightest chance against the crew of the Death Star. But that's why the would never attempt such foolish thing.

If at all, they would try to take over the Death Star by means of infiltration and sabotage and suchlike.

[Praeothmin]

There is some 25,000 stormtroopers and 1 million other people (including officers, guards, etc.) on the Death Star, according to several Star Wars canon sources. 200 Federation commandos would not be enough to take over the Death Star.

How many people does it take to press the buttons that are necessary to flood whole decks with anaesthetics, to create a vacuum on whole decks, to close blast shield doors or to activate the internal defence systems?

Of course, in a frontal attack, 200 Federation commandos wouldn't have the slightest chance against the crew of the Death Star. But that's why the would never attempt such foolish thing.

If at all, they would try to take over the Death Star by means of infiltration and sabotage and suchlike.

Take a modern military base big enough to have 25 000 soldiers, plus roughly 1000 000 operations personnel.
How much time do you think 200 Commandoes would last, even if they hid from the security forces?
This is unrealistic...

[The Dude]

It would certainly require a lot of training and preparation to pull off, just in regards to culture and language to pass as a local. This is kind of like trying to infiltrate Fort Drum and blow up the ammo dump whilst being a Native Iranian or something.

[Picard]

True.

[KirkSkyWalker]

It would certainly require a lot of training and preparation to pull off, just in regards to culture and language to pass as a local. This is kind of like trying to infiltrate Fort Drum and blow up the ammo dump whilst being a Native Iranian or something.

It would be much easier to just plant a neutron bomb on the DS; that would simply kill everyone, while leaving the ship intact.

[KirkSkyWalker]

There is some 25,000 stormtroopers and 1 million other people (including officers, guards, etc.) on the Death Star, according to several Star Wars canon sources. 200 Federation commandos would not be enough to take over the Death Star.

How many people does it take to press the buttons that are necessary to flood whole decks with anaesthetics, to create a vacuum on whole decks, to close blast shield doors or to activate the internal defence systems?

Of course, in a frontal attack, 200 Federation commandos wouldn't have the slightest chance against the crew of the Death Star. But that's why the would never attempt such foolish thing.

If at all, they would try to take over the Death Star by means of infiltration and sabotage and suchlike.

Take a modern military base big enough to have 25 000 soldiers, plus roughly 1000 000 operations personnel.
How much time do you think 200 Commandoes would last, even if they hid from the security forces?
This is unrealistic...

Spock could do it alone using a Stormtrooper-suit and the Vulcan mind-meld.

[Praeothmin]

I doubt that.
Vulcans don't mind meld for fun, they do it when the circumstances require it, and eventually even Spock would get discovered since he could not act as the Stormtrooper who's identity he usurped.
And someone would wonder why he never took off his armor, or what the ST was doing in the secure location in which he shouldn't be...

[KirkSkyWalker]

I doubt that.
Vulcans don't mind meld for fun, they do it when the circumstances require it, and eventually even Spock would get discovered since he could not act as the Stormtrooper who's identity he usurped.

Worked for Luke and Han traipsing through the Death Star without notice, until they began shooting up the place.
And with the Vulcan mind-meld, Spock would be able to discover all the information he needed; he'd kill Vader with a phaser (who'd never suspect since Spock can control his emotions), steal his mask, clothes and Helmet, and do a mind-melt to make Tarkin believe that Geonosis was the rebel base, and blow up the Empire with their own weapon.
Or he'd just hack the Death Star's main computer via remote-link, and take it over.

[Praeothmin]

Worked for Luke and Han traipsing through the Death Star without notice, until they began shooting up the place.
And with the Vulcan mind-meld, Spock would be able to discover all the information he needed; he'd kill Vader with a phaser (who'd never suspect since Spock can control his emotions), steal his mask, clothes and Helmet, and do a mind-melt to make Tarkin believe that Geonosis was the rebel base, and blow up the Empire with their own weapon.
Or he'd just hack the Death Star's main computer via remote-link, and take it over.

Yes, Luke and Han disguised as Stormtroopers were able to walk around uninterrupted for a while because:
A- They had an Astro Droid that broke into the DS's computer to locate the cell block with the Princess.
B-It only worked until they tried to do something for which they didn't have authorization for.

What do you think will happen when Spock tries to access guarded locations which a Stormtrooper should not have access to?
What do you think will happen when Spock tries to shoot Vader in the first place?
How do you know Vader will not simply detect the danger?
Who says his armor, able to withstand a Lightsabre hit, will not protect him from the first Phaser shot?
Who says he will then not just simply Force yank the Phaser away from Spock?
What makes you think Spock can waer Vader's armor when we clearly see it is not a simple armor, but rather part of his cybernetic enhancements?

You make a lot of assumptions, with no evidence to back them up...

[KirkSkyWalker]

What do you think will happen when Spock tries to access guarded locations which a Stormtrooper should not have access to?.

He'd call in the big guns.

What do you think will happen when Spock tries to shoot Vader in the first place?

Mike Wong will definitely have an opinion about it-- a-DUH.

How do you know Vader will not simply detect the danger?

The lawsuit from Spider-man would ruin him.

Who says his armor, able to withstand a Lightsabre hit, will not protect him from the first Phaser shot?

Phasers void the warranty, it only covers weapons copyrighted by Lucasfilm Ltd.

Who says he will then not just simply Force yank the Phaser away from Spock?

He'd "FORGET" how.

What makes you think Spock can waer Vader's armor when we clearly see it is not a simple armor, but rather part of his cybernetic enhancements?

Spock's brain is detachable- everyone knows that.

You make a lot of assumptions, with no evidence to back them up..

Ask a stupid question.... and another, and another..

[Praeothmin]

Ask a stupid question.... and another, and another..

Tell me, do you find questions stupid only when you can't answer them properly, or simply when they come from people other then yourself?

Anyways, the answers above were funny, and I'm still waiting for good answers to prove your assumptions... :)

[KirkSkyWalker]

A phaser could easily cut through Vader's armor, and it won't stop gravitons. Likewise, not a single Jedi could sense the danger of being shot by clones, because the clones didn't have any emotions about it; so a Sith-lord would be even less able to sense it, since they're all about negative emotions.

[Praeothmin]

A phaser could easily cut through Vader's armor, and it won't stop gravitons.

Which you will prove, of course, since we know Lightsabres are very good at immediately cutting guard rails, and Droids, and yet failed to penetrate Vader's shoulder pad on a direct hit...

Likewise, not a single Jedi could sense the danger of being shot by clones, because the clones didn't have any emotions about it; so a Sith-lord would be even less able to sense it, since they're all about negative emotions.

Funny how that explanation, which I believe is the stupidest in the universe, fails to explain why then were the Jedi able to defend from or attack Droids directly at their backs, since Droids don't have any emotions either...
Funy how Luke failed to sense the guard that shot his hand when on Jabba's barge, with all the negative emotions the guard surely held for Luke...
Funny how Obi-Wan failed to detect Jango about to gtie his hands with his grapple gun, or Luke with Boba in RotJ, when both clearly hated the Jedi...
Funny how that absence of emotions did not stop Yoda from detecting the impending attack from the two Clones at his back...

Nope, I think Vader may or may not detect Spock trying to shoot him in the back, but it has nothing to do with the absence of emotions...