Which ST universe is more powerful? The original or the new?

[GStone]

TOS ships would likely have huge advantages in maneuverability . . . the Monsterprise lumbers like a garbage scow.

This isn't that surprising. In ENT, we saw the romulan telepresence ship spin like a crack head in need of a fix compared to the Ent-NX. The size speed relation at sublight continues to happen into the next century, like during the alpha ally fight with the dominion, what was it in, sacrifice of angels? We see fighters, and especially the defiant, are nimble as hell compared to even the cardassian warships.

I'm not quite sure which side I'd prefer. Aesthetically, I'd go with the monsterprise.

[sonofccn]

So UFP starships in altverse are like star destroyers, are fat whales, but with some good ability at intercepting missiles (good point defense), and unfortunately not so good shields?

From a naval standpoint, if I were to classify this kind of ship from these elements only, I'd say they really behave like destroyers, or perhaps gunships, with an ability to deliver large firepower at a good distance, but mostly relying on PDs to shoot down enemy missiles instead of uber shields, therefore telling us that close combat is not something they'd be looking for usually.
Which might not fit with the movie at all --which I have not seen yet.

Possible but , bearing in mind Alt trek has limited data for us to draw conclusions from, I don't think we saw anything to get a proper judge on the shields, beyond thier more War invisible shieldish now which is just a VFX differnce, since most of the time the ships were getting a pounding by a ship a century ahead of them. We do know the Klingon vessels, who should be rough technological equals, removed of thier shields are rendered vunerable to attack, turning an unwinnable battle into a cake walk assuming Kirk didn't alter any other conditions in the simulation. Now again we do simply have a very limited amount of information do deal with.

As to the Alt-Feds overall I wouldn't say they focused soley on industrial output, warp drive appears faster than generally, very very rough average of Trek as a whole, accepted and the PD trick , very accurate spam of beams, isn't something we saw TOS-Prime able to do that I recall, through it did shoot down the odd missile but what we saw of the actual firing was simply the same effect as a normal phaser shot IIRC, which would appear to be improvements versus transporters, ships seem to carry more shuttles than baseline indictating it's more common place than in TOS-Prime, and possible shields. To me that suggests a culture that focused on direct appliaction/conventional technology opposed to more exotic technology. A klingonish mind set when you think about it :)

This conclusion is pretty much in agreement with my first point, mentioned earlier on.

I took your post as the federation focused soley on industrial output and would otherwise be inferior technologicaly to TOS-PRIME in all catagories which I disagree with. I think in some areas tech had radically improved such as warp or point defense and likely in other military type technologies.

[Mike DiCenso]

So UFP starships in altverse are like star destroyers, are fat whales, but with some good ability at intercepting missiles (good point defense), and unfortunately not so good shields?

No, I'd disagree with that. Since you haven't seen the movie, you don't get to see where the E-Alt dodges through most of the wreckage of the fleet. I can't picture even an Acclamator class star destroyer (an SW ship the same approximate size as the E-Alt) maneuver though that in the same way. The E-alt is performing barrel roles for crying out loud. In fact, given the unusually high density of the debris field, the E-Alt's maneuvering is very reminiscent of the Millienium Falcon's asteroid dodging in TESB, only moving somewhat slower. There is no time in any of the TOS episodes, even the remastered ones, nor the movies where the E-Prime pulls off similar maneuvers.

The shields are somewhat of an iffy area, they take a helluva beating from several debris impacts and a number of the Narada's missiles. But given that we don't have any kind of yield for the missiles, it's difficult to say. The comparison being used here is the E-A in ST6, but that is kind of misleading as the BoP was a contemporary ship to the E-A and the Excelsior, not a ship from over 100 years in the future. And yes, from a point-defense standpoint, the E-Alt wins hands down as neither E-A nor Excelsior attempted to buy themselves time by shooting down the BoP torpedoes.
-Mike