Are Trekkies ashamed of a Federation with no commerce?

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:32 am

PunkMaister wrote:
Mike DiCenso wrote:
PunkMaister wrote: And also as far as I understand the federation was not always the socialist/Marxist government it boasts by TNG era. In TOS it was clearly a capitalist/democratic society.
Except that even in the TNG-era, as has been pointed out via many examples, is not socialist/Marxist, and from what we hear in DS9's "In the Cards", only humans generally go without money.
-Mike
Well not a Soviet Style state but there is no question that the the TNG era UFP is by far and large a socialist state and not a capitalist one, and DS9 is a poor example given the fact that is free port space station where aliens from just about every nearby quadrant and the gamma quadrant co-mingle in a Babylon 5 kind of atmosphere.
Have you watche TNG or DS9 fully? If you did, you'd know that your statement is incorrect.
-Mike

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Re: Are Trekkies ashamed of a Federation with no commerce?

Post by Mike DiCenso » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:38 am

Tyralak wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote:It seems, to me, that as a response to a constant criticism, notably from Warsies, Trekkies have attempted their best to find proof of commerce within the Federation and took pride in it.

But is it that bad to have an advanced Federation free of any form of commerce, where when you need something, you have it easily because it can produced with cheap and clean energy, and likely provided thanks to synthetizers?

Why the shame, really?
Some of us who are die hard capitalists, find the idea of a society with no system of commerce to be harder to swallow than the idea of transporters and Klingons. I also find myself cringing at the Federation's pansy-ass UN type nature. (At least TNG and later versions)
This silly myth that the Federation as a whole is without commerce or it's members without any currency of any kind needs to be ruthlessly quashed. There has been ample evidence provided in this thread and elsewhere that commerce and free enterpise still exist and is wide-spread in the UFP, and that at least some of the members still have their own currencies.
-Mike

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