Possibly, although I'm curious about the 50% figure.sonofccn wrote:I would say there has been no conclusive results, we do not know what measure if any the Federation attempted to encourage alien members to activly participate but judging from how aliens are intermixed through the other fields, federation scientists are at best 50% to be human, they would have at least tried at one point or another to bring the others in.Mr. Oragahn wrote:What I see is that in more than a century of Federal activity, there's been very little conclusive efforts, as far as we can see, to have Starfleet represent a fair share of all members' forces and naval industries, and that most of it is in human hands.
I recall the tech crews on ships, the people who contacted Voyager, Genesis... not that many aliens really.
Obviously these fleets were either deemed to weak, or these members of the Federation didn't want to participate in the great battles of the DS9 era. Klingons came, but no Vulcans or else?? I find that odd since we know of two member worlds that maintain thier own fleet and I don't recall anyone ever saying anything alone those lines.There seems to be a certain level of mistrust, with other member worlds maintaining their own fleets.
My point, yep. :DWhich is the aliens problem not the Federation. If only Earth is willing to pay the bill needed to build and maintain the starfleet then only Earth should have one. My point is the Federation appears to bend over for nonhumans and for one reason or another they do not serve it.The aliens certainly don't seem to have the will, desire, or capacity to access to the vast bulk of Starfleet's assets either.
Hmmm maybe it's time we eliminated the deadwood? :-)
More likely, Bajor would just be defended by official Federation ships, especially considering its nearby position to DS9 and what happened there, or would just have to rely on whatever others would trade or give them.Bajor never had power from what I remember. They were an overly peaceful race that the cardasions curbstomped for fifty years before releasing them. In the reformation of a Bajoran goverment they had IIRC a handful of relics from the pre-war years left to defense thier sol system and for the most part were struggling to keep from desecending into anarchy. I never suggested they were capable of defeating the federation with it's thousands of vessels, what I said was we don't know if the Federation would have sold Bajor some older starfleet vessels after they joined the Federation to safe guard their own system.Considering the power of Bajor and how it was curbed, aside from some few defense ships we saw quite some time ago, I don't see anything meaningful to oppose to the countless terran starbases and shipyards
Pardon?I am not disagreeing that if starfleet was replaced with it's Terran empire replicas bad things would happen. That is a risk of a hyperpower, but one you have to risk in order to bring about order and peace.The whole reason story goes well in the Federation is because humans are fair.
If for some reason, that fairness was to fade away, the results would be absolutely terrible, in my opinion and from what I saw, for non-humans.
Right now I feel like Padmé with Anakin kidding me about politics, somewhere in some Naboo grassy fields.
I'd really like evidence that the Vulcans have any considerable force, really.Possible. That may also be a reason Vulcan has it's own fleet...just in case Terrans get a little too big for thier britches.Of course, I'm not saying this is a plan, the result of a malignous will. But my point is that if such evil was to raise, there's quite a lot of the work that's already done.
Seriously, if I were an alien in the Federation, I would have good reasons to stay on my toes, seeing that the vast bulk of the military is largely centralized in the hands of a given expansionist species, and that it takes only one president, some political and war games to have shit hit the fan.
That's really something I never realized before, but in my eyes, the UFP is really one split hair away from xenophobic chaos.