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Re: I challenge darkstar to a debate

Post by StarWarsStarTrek » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:05 pm

EDIT: I had a burst of anger here. A calmer post is available in the Challenge to invade the SW galaxy thread.
Mike DiCenso wrote:doing so, except in the more recent thread where it is clear that istrolling, and this time Praeo acted on those particular offenses rather than me.
You know Mike, statements like these where you attempt to decipher my intentions in making a thread by using such profound evidence such as "it is clear that" is rather hypocritical. If making this thread is trolling (presumably because it is apparently made for the intention of Star Wars winning), explain why this thread isn't. Or explain why the various "Empire invades Alpha Quadrant" threads aren't.

So in conclusion:

1. Making a thread asking people to invade the SW galaxy with the Federation is trolling.
2. Making a thread asking what would happen if the Empire invaded the Alpha Quadrant is fine, even if you make the exact same scenario with very minor and irrelevant adjustments, like, for example (hypothetically):

Alpha Quadrant vs Empire
Empire vs Dominion
Dominion invades Empire
Star destroyer vs Enterprise

3. Making a thread with the sole purpose of debunking a pro Wars document is not trolling.
I don't want you trolling or anything else at SWST,
Why don't you warn them?
as I don't want to give him or anyone else ammunition for claims of bias and hypocrisy.
-Mike
Oh, so this is it. You see, one of my main complaints, Mike, that you have ignored when you give me warnings for ignoring stuff (...) is that, whenever I [allegedly] misconduct, you accuse me of trolling, being rude, dishonest, yadayadayada. But with anyone else, including those that call be a sub-human, you say something akin to "hey, calm down, I know that SWST is a jerk, but I don't want to make us look bad."

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Re: I challenge darkstar to a debate

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:41 pm

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:EDIT: I had a burst of anger here. A calmer post is available in the Challenge to invade the SW galaxy thread.
Mike DiCenso wrote:doing so, except in the more recent thread where it is clear that istrolling, and this time Praeo acted on those particular offenses rather than me.
You know Mike, statements like these where you attempt to decipher my intentions in making a thread by using such profound evidence such as "it is clear that" is rather hypocritical. If making this thread is trolling (presumably because it is apparently made for the intention of Star Wars winning), explain why this thread isn't. Or explain why the various "Empire invades Alpha Quadrant" threads aren't.

So in conclusion:

1. Making a thread asking people to invade the SW galaxy with the Federation is trolling.
2. Making a thread asking what would happen if the Empire invaded the Alpha Quadrant is fine, even if you make the exact same scenario with very minor and irrelevant adjustments, like, for example (hypothetically):

Alpha Quadrant vs Empire
Empire vs Dominion
Dominion invades Empire
Star destroyer vs Enterprise

3. Making a thread with the sole purpose of debunking a pro Wars document is not trolling.
The topic isn't much of a problem. The problem is that it's you who made the topic. We know your manners. The other problem is how you behave once the thread is running, so we can see what you really had in mind when making it: accepting proper debate and valid evidence, and paying attention to what your opposition said, or doing nothing of that.
I don't want you trolling or anything else at SWST,
Why don't you warn them?
Good point.

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Re: I challenge darkstar to a debate

Post by StarWarsStarTrek » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:55 pm

Mr. Oragahn wrote: The topic isn't much of a problem. The problem is that it's you who made the topic.
So you admit that their reasoning is selectively biased? Wow, Mr. O. What's more, you seem to say this casually and fail to understand that this alone validates my argument, does it not?
We know your manners.
I never called somebody a sub-human like you did, Mr. O. And while that may have been a burst of anger on your part, you still have no basis on which you question my "manners". I spent literally over an hour and a half responding to sonofron (forgive my spelling)'s post. I kid you not. I am not "ignoring" anything.
The other problem is how you behave once the thread is running, so we can see what you really had in mind when making it: accepting proper debate and valid evidence, and paying attention to what your opposition said, or doing nothing of that.
"accepting proper debate and valid evidence" is another way of saying "I don't agree with you, so I'll accuse of of trolling because I don't like you".

Unless if you can provide examples of me failing to "accept proper debate and valid evidence". I'm not the one who states that all inductive reasoning is invalid.

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Re: I challenge darkstar to a debate

Post by Admiral Breetai » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:46 am

Mike DiCenso wrote: That being said, I expect you guys to remain on best behavior. I don't want you trolling or anything else at SWST, as I don't want to give him or anyone else ammunition for claims of bias and hypocrisy.
-Mike
what? are you serious
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Re: I challenge darkstar to a debate

Post by Admiral Breetai » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:47 am

Mr. Oragahn wrote:
Good point.
we haven't broken any rules he has

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Re: I challenge darkstar to a debate

Post by mojo » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:03 am

Admiral Breetai wrote:
Mike DiCenso wrote: That being said, I expect you guys to remain on best behavior. I don't want you trolling or anything else at SWST, as I don't want to give him or anyone else ammunition for claims of bias and hypocrisy.
-Mike
what? are you serious

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HAHAHA

man, i'd love to be able to read the first draft of that one!

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Re: I challenge darkstar to a debate

Post by Admiral Breetai » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:16 am

mojo wrote:[

HAHAHA

man, i'd love to be able to read the first draft of that one!
allot of profanity and me giving mike an ultimatum about..getting SWST out before I start emotionally abusing him so badly he'll end up like that facebook girl

I dunno I was on my fourth glass of whiskey when I typed it

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Re: I challenge darkstar to a debate

Post by mojo » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:18 am

Admiral Breetai wrote:
mojo wrote:[

HAHAHA

man, i'd love to be able to read the first draft of that one!
allot of profanity and me giving mike an ultimatum about..getting SWST out before I start emotionally abusing him so badly he'll end up like that facebook girl

I dunno I was on my fourth glass of whiskey when I typed it
wait, you were going to emotionally abuse mike? what a shame.
man, i NEVER erase those posts. those are the FUN ones.

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Re: I challenge darkstar to a debate

Post by Admiral Breetai » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:39 am

mojo wrote: wait, you were going to emotionally abuse mike? what a shame.
man, i NEVER erase those posts. those are the FUN ones.
nah SWST not mikey

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Re: I challenge darkstar to a debate

Post by Picard » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:45 am

Mike DiCenso wrote:As a result, SWST is one warning away from a 3 week ban, I believe.

That being said, I expect you guys to remain on best behavior. I don't want you trolling or anything else at SWST, as I don't want to give him or anyone else ammunition for claims of bias and hypocrisy.
-Mike
That will be hard, considering that, to him, merely not using EU would probably be ground for such claims.

And I really hope it won't get to perma-ban... as mojo pointed out, he is about only pro-Wars debater here.

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Re: I challenge darkstar to a debate

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:16 pm

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote: The topic isn't much of a problem. The problem is that it's you who made the topic.
So you admit that their reasoning is selectively biased?
Just like a court is against someone who's known to be troublesome, genius. You're not a random member with a neutral case anymore.
There's a file about you. Like, you know, some convict condemned multiples times for the same kind of crimes.
Is that hard to grasp? Do you still think anyone here is going to buy that saintitude you're so fond of?
People rarely get banned here. You've been banned here for several weeks in a row, after progressive incremental sanctions. That should make you think and understand a few things if you were honest or smart or both. Obviously you either don't get it, or pretend not getting it. Considering how you are able to construct your arguments, which requires a certain level of intelligence, it's obvious that only the second option applies to you. Which is even worse in fact.
Wow, Mr. O. What's more, you seem to say this casually and fail to understand that this alone validates my argument, does it not?
Your argument is silly, that is all.
Your claim of persecution is just a fallacy. What you fell to is called fair justice.
We know your manners.
I never called somebody a sub-human like you did, Mr. O.
An insult is a small price to pay in light of allowing an active troll on a forum.
I require that if you're allowed to stay and open that putrid sink hole of yours which you call a mouth, I be allowed to flame you as I see fit.
And while that may have been a burst of anger on your part, you still have no basis on which you question my "manners".
Yes I have. That's called a pedigree. Do you see any multi-week long ban on my profile and in the technical forum?
No. So I am morally superior to you here. Get it?
I spent literally over an hour and a half responding to sonofron (forgive my spelling)'s post. I kid you not. I am not "ignoring" anything.
You think that spending your time replying to one post (and as I saw, said reply being of absolutely abyssal drek) is going to be a good enough smoke screen to all your current and past sins?
The other problem is how you behave once the thread is running, so we can see what you really had in mind when making it: accepting proper debate and valid evidence, and paying attention to what your opposition said, or doing nothing of that.
"accepting proper debate and valid evidence" is another way of saying "I don't agree with you, so I'll accuse of of trolling because I don't like you".
It would if we had actually NOT bothered presenting ample amounts of evidence of your trolling, you know.
Your negationism is tiresome and quite unacceptable.
Unless if you can provide examples of me failing to "accept proper debate and valid evidence". I'm not the one who states that all inductive reasoning is invalid.
Did in the past, and obviously it's happening again now. Prae managed to find no less than two or three fresh examples, right in the same thread, if not the same post of yours.

Why this damned place only manages to attract trolls, I don't know. Perhaps because it's just too focused on some dead debate and that the old and hereditary opposition is actually literally incapable and unwilling to challenge us. Yet there doesn't seem to be a loss of interest in said debates on Internet as a whole.
This place deserves more light if anything else.
I wonder if some kind of merging of two small respectable communities with enough similarities, but which would also help diversify the nature of the topics discussed on the new forum, wouldn't help a tad.

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Re: I challenge darkstar to a debate

Post by Praeothmin » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:22 pm

Mike DiCenso wrote: That being said, I expect you guys to remain on best behavior. I don't want you trolling or anything else at SWST, as I don't want to give him or anyone else ammunition for claims of bias and hypocrisy.
-Mike
I don't want anybody Trolling at all, or else we WILL be hypocrits...
There are no excuses for Trolling, even in response to someone else's Trolling...

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Re: I challenge darkstar to a debate

Post by Picard » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:43 pm

MrO wrote:Why this damned place only manages to attract trolls, I don't know. Perhaps because it's just too focused on some dead debate and that the old and hereditary opposition is actually literally incapable and unwilling to challenge us. Yet there doesn't seem to be a loss of interest in said debates on Internet as a whole.
This place deserves more light if anything else.
I wonder if some kind of merging of two small respectable communities with enough similarities, but which would also help diversify the nature of the topics discussed on the new forum, wouldn't help a tad.
Any vs section attracts trolls. Be it SDN, SFJ, SBC or FactPile, there will always be people who are trolling, either for fun, beacouse they have issues, or beacouse they are fanatical fans of some franchise. On SBC, some people insisted on bringing in EU, despite thread being strictly no-EU. SDN, I still remember Serafina as major rabid Warsie (and she did lot of trolling, even if we forget Insane Troll Logic and trolling required to make high-end EU, and especially ICS, usable in debate despite all canon evidence to the contrary and Lucas stating that EU is not canon).

Also, FYI, I just Googled star trek vs star wars forum, versus debate forum, star trek forum, star wars forum. SFJ forum did not appear on single result, while SDN, SpaceBattles and TheTrekBBS appeared on one result each. Actually, first VS forum I joined (not counting Factpile) was SDN.

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Re: I challenge darkstar to a debate

Post by Mike DiCenso » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:13 pm

Praeothmin wrote:
Mike DiCenso wrote: That being said, I expect you guys to remain on best behavior. I don't want you trolling or anything else at SWST, as I don't want to give him or anyone else ammunition for claims of bias and hypocrisy.
-Mike
I don't want anybody Trolling at all, or else we WILL be hypocrits...
There are no excuses for Trolling, even in response to someone else's Trolling...
Exactly. Now the next question I have is this; does SWST's denial of his behavior count in and of itself as dishonesty, and thus grounds for a warning and a ban?
-Mike

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Re: I challenge darkstar to a debate

Post by Mike DiCenso » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:16 pm

Picard wrote:
MrO wrote:Why this damned place only manages to attract trolls, I don't know. Perhaps because it's just too focused on some dead debate and that the old and hereditary opposition is actually literally incapable and unwilling to challenge us. Yet there doesn't seem to be a loss of interest in said debates on Internet as a whole.
This place deserves more light if anything else.
I wonder if some kind of merging of two small respectable communities with enough similarities, but which would also help diversify the nature of the topics discussed on the new forum, wouldn't help a tad.
Any vs section attracts trolls. Be it SDN, SFJ, SBC or FactPile, there will always be people who are trolling, either for fun, because they have issues, or because they are fanatical fans of some franchise. On SBC, some people insisted on bringing in EU, despite thread being strictly no-EU. SDN, I still remember Serafina as major rabid Warsie (and she did lot of trolling, even if we forget Insane Troll Logic and trolling required to make high-end EU, and especially ICS, usable in debate despite all canon evidence to the contrary and Lucas stating that EU is not canon).

Also, FYI, I just Googled star trek vs star wars forum, versus debate forum, star trek forum, star wars forum. SFJ forum did not appear on single result, while SDN, SpaceBattles and TheTrekBBS appeared on one result each. Actually, first VS forum I joined (not counting Factpile) was SDN.
I did find SFJN in there, but you have to go back quite a ways to get to it depending on the search engine used. But this is a separate topic altogether that should be in the Technical section.
-Mike

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