Picard wrote:
As I have said, we have several pieces of evidence avaliable:
1) AotC/RotS combo, where we see lots of sub-kiloton shots, and kiloton-level weapons bringing down starships in single shots
No, you don't. You see unquantifiable shots that are detonating in the absence of an atmosphere, until you can provide me with a source implying otherwise.
2) RotS novel, which suggests heavy weapons in single-digit megatons
Except that I have already slapped down this calculation, and your response was to completely ignore the central thrust of my argument and hypocritically claim that the quote itself is incorrect. Of course, you will continue to present it as evidence in spite of this fact.
If you don't accept it, at the very least, just don't list it. Either light turbolasers are muli-megaton, or the quote isn't valid at all. There is no other possibility, and your insistence of the HTL theory, in spite of never even bothering to defend it, is highly ingenuous.
3) TESB, where we see ISD using kiloton-level shots from its medium turbolasers
No, these are lower limits. You don't understand this, do you?
You already have. I hope.
No. Post them again. I already posted the Endor quote for you a half dozen times, as you pretend to get amnesia every time I bring it up, so feel free to repost, or relink, your calcs; preferably the former.
It is not incorrect if we take only novel into account.
And star destroyers can bust stars if we only take the name into account. Do you realize that applying stupid conditionals that don't apply doesn't help your case in the slightest?
I already addressed this, and you casually shifted the topic to the validity of the quotation itself. Only one ship was ever observed to have a heavy walker in its hanger, yet you assume that they were everywhere.
Battle was in atmosphere, yet we don't see anything to suggest even kilotons from any other weapons.
Stop bullshitting. Battle was in atmosphere.
Prove it.
And you have quite the nerve to call me a bullshiter, when you bluff your way into stating that fusion reactors can explode if they are "designed poorly". When I ask you to prove up...you suddenly shift your case to saying that they explode "in sci fi". ROFL.
Which is funny, considering how writers write universe with literary mindset
Explain why your blogs involve [pseudo]scientifically calculating the energy needed to vaporize X mass of Y substance, or comparing the melting points of durasteel and regular steel, or acceleration, or engine exhaust, when by your own admission, a scientific analysis of sci fi is impossible.
And on description from novel.
Unless you want to point out where exactly we have dialogue describing how superlaser works, of course...
Except that the description from the novel is one of the vaguest pieces of evidence ever put forth, and it's from the perspective of a Luke who hadn't the slightest clue that the Death Star even existed a few pages prior.
Where? Even OT did not have shield effects, as far as my memory serves me.
Yeah, they do. Perhaps you failed to notice that the shields glow
white whenever they are hit.
Shields do not have impact on rate at which beam penetrates hull itself. Because, you know, by that point shields are nonexistent.
...yes, but the shields would have
weakened said beam that penetrated the hull!
I don't have one.
Oh, so you were bullshitting me, again?
But from what I remember from the movie, we clearly saw beams from walkers penetrating the hull...yet hull itself was barely visible, so it could not have been thicker than beam. Which itself is 50-some centimeters thick at most.
I really don't trust what you remember, if you do not think that ISD's had shields in the OT.
They don't. What we see is protective fields shutting down due to their lightsaber work, and station falling due to patches of lava falling on it.
Um, no. We see the base self destruct. But feel free to provide me with a video, or a novelization quote.
Except I did NOT use it as an upper limit. What I used as upper limit was RotJ combat.
Except that you completely ignore the thrust of my argument, which is that, by your own admission, the engine exhaust of a parade-marching Acclamator already is enough to melt structural steel, yet you continue to believe that this space-age society uses standard steel in its starships.
So we have asteroids that can easily penetrate ISD's shields? So, by your logic, ISD's shields are incapable of stopping kinetic impacts; phasers are partly kinetic weapons, therefore ISD's shields would be incapable of fully stopping phasers.
Nowhere do I say this. We have no idea why the ISD's shields are down; but they were down, and therefore, attempting to use the asteroid hit as a benchmark for ISD shield strength is completely counter-intuitive.
Considering that we don't see shields during entire movie, and fact that there are some highly flammable asteroids in TESB, as well as fighters being shown as danger for subsystems during entire movie, we could make a case for no shields at all. Of course, that would require us to ignore the "our shields are down... AAAARGH!" part in RotJ space battle and comment of Mister "nothing can penetrate our shield" during TPM.
Thank you, you just defeated your own argument.
I would also like to point out that, if all of the asteroids in the Hoth systems really did have enough magical volatiles in them to self-vaporize upon collision, then the asteroid that shattered the bridge tower would have had many,
many megatons of explosives in it that would have detonated upon hitting the bridge tower, and that the asteroids scene colliding with the star destroyer's hull would have been doing megatons of damage do the ISD's shields [and yet having no effect] with its magical explosives.
Maybe ammo? We see shells being used for heavy cannons of TF cruiser.
Except that the Invisible Hand was hit by several rounds striking its ammo deposits and did not vaporize instantly.
They do in Sci Fi.
Memory Alpha wrote:The self-destruct sequence of DS9 involves the computer ordering the station's main fusion reactor to disengage the reaction stabilizers, causing the reactor to overload, and the station to destroy itself. (DS9: "Civil Defense")
Bullshit. You cannot made broad generalizations across various sci-fi series as "proof" that fusion reactors explode. Who cares if they did once in Trek? We are talking about an entirely difference universe here, and you haven't provided the slightest shred of proof that nuclear fusion reactors are magically volatile in Wars.
Also, it would be imaginable that high-power fusion reactor using fuel as coolant could explode due to coolant leak into reactor itself.
No, you are bullshitting again. Please, cite your
scientific source here.
Of course, most reactors would simply shut down, but Star Wars is insanely unconcerned with safety.
Poisoning the well. You admit that your own theory is both unscientific and requires us to suspend disbelief and assume magical stupidity across the board for engineers. Engineers that can build a moon sized battle station that does not self implode the instant it moves, an engineering feat that would make the NASA team that sent us to the moon look like a bunch of school children building a paper telephone.
Which is in direct contradiction with movie.
It throws your argument into water.
We don't see Imperial ships flying near Rebel ships to group with other part. If they did it, they should have done it during Rebel fleet's transit. Meaning that other group may also have positioned itself where it did during transit... not impossible, considering Palpatine may have known when Rebel Fleet was about to jump.
You aren't making any sense here. Why would this fleet, magically knowing when the Rebel fleet would arrive, move away somewhere else, and get replaced by another fleet, only for this fleet to move...around from the planet, while the other fleet disappears?
I really don't understand your explaination, at all.
And there is still Dooku's liftoff from Geonosis in AotC.
you assume that, in direct contradiction with all other acceleration feats in Star Wars,
Incorrect. Explain Dooku on Geonosis. Explain the X wings crossing half of Yavin Prime in one six second shot. Explain Padme's ship passing the rings of Geonosis in one to two seconds. Oh, wait, you can't.
they did it only after Rebel fleet exited hyperspace... when, for all we know, Imperial fleet could have done it during transit.
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What the hell? How would they have anticipated when the Rebel fleet would arrive?
