Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:49 pm
I'll see if I can find the novel in my local library...Praeothmin wrote:About the Death Star's surface explosion from Luke's shots, the ANH novel states that Luke has hit a power conduit.
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I'll see if I can find the novel in my local library...Praeothmin wrote:About the Death Star's surface explosion from Luke's shots, the ANH novel states that Luke has hit a power conduit.
Unless there is a fourth:But if you choose the third possibility, you should give some reasons.
watchdog wrote:I prefer not to call him or anyone else names, heck if I thought that calling him MW offended him I would stop.
As for his ideas, I gave his web site to one of my sergents who savaged his tactical ideas, telling me that he approached all of his tactics from an engeneering perspective only. Indeed I myself have found much wrong with some of his ideas about naval combat where he compares trek and wars to real life naval battles.
I dont know who he had talked to originally but whomever it was seems to have convinced him that tactics of maneuver were a rarety in modern naval warfare even though tactics of maneuver were widely used in the two biggest naval engagements in history; Jutland and Leyte Gulf.
I wrote myself a little essay picking apart various arguments of his that I found poorly thought out, mostly on tactics. I think that you can never make a bigger tactical error than to assume that you foe can never hurt you no matter what. That is the Empires weakness, as Luke told the Emperor himself; your overconfidence is your weakness. My sergent suggested that the Federations biggest strength is its adaptability (which has led to success against the Borg and is something they stress here in the Army).
I found several passages in the novelization about Rebel fighters hitting the Death Star. One involved a power terminal and then subsequently cuts to the Death Star interior and describes the damage inside, but does not mention Luke.Dragoon wrote:I'll see if I can find the novel in my local library...Praeothmin wrote:About the Death Star's surface explosion from Luke's shots, the ANH novel states that Luke has hit a power conduit.
Luke:ANH Novelization p157 wrote:Energy bolts and sun-bright beams continued to create a chromatic maze in the space above the station as the Rebel fighters crisscrossed back and forth over its surface, firing at whatever looked like a decent target. Two of the tiny craft concentrated on a power terminal. It blew up, sending lightning-sized electric arcs from the station's innards.
Inside, troopers, mechanicals, and equipment were blown in all directions by subsidiary explosions as the effects of the blast traveled back down various conduits and cables. Where the explosion had hulled the station, escaping atmosphere sucked helpless soldiers and droids out into a bottomless black tomb.
Luke again:ANH Novelization p157 wrote:"I'm on it, don't worry," Luke responded confidently.
Putting his fighter into a twisting dive, he sliced once more across metal horizons. Antennae and small protruding emplacements burst into transitory flame as bolts from his wingtips strung with deadly accuracy.
Biggs:ANH Novelization p160-161 wrote:"I've picked what looks like a lateral stabilizer," Luke replied. "I'm going to try for it."
"Watch yourself, Blue Five. Heavy fire in the area."
Luke ignored the warning as he headed the fighter straight toward the oddly shaped protruberance. His determination was rewarded when, after saturating it with fire, he saw it erupt in a ball of spectacular superhot gas.
ANH Novelization p161 wrote:Biggs leveled off, then let go with full weaponry. No one ever decided exactly what it was he hit, but the small tower that blew up under his energy bolts was obviously more important than it looked.
A series of sequential explosions hopscotched across a large section of the battle station's surface, leaping from one terminal to the next. Biggs had already shot past the area of disturbance, but his companion, following slightly behind, received a full dose of whatever energy was running wild down there.
I think, to be unconsciously biased is a sign of incompetence.Praeothmin wrote:
Unless there is a fourth:
He is biased... which is the one I go for... :)
Well Mr. Wong as I mentioned comes at the entire debate completely from an engineers point of view, if you read his tactics or strategy, much of it is not grounded in proper military thinking (which is funny considering he likes to quote from Sun Tzu's the art of war alot).Dartan wrote:That my problem with SDN. While I do think the Empire would beat the snot out of the Fed in a long term war, Wong typically assumes that the Fed is either incompetent or unable to adapt.
I actually have to see any strategy applied to the large scale battles in Star Wars films that does make complete sense.watchdog wrote:Well Mr. Wong as I mentioned comes at the entire debate completely from an engineers point of view, if you read his tactics or strategy, much of it is not grounded in proper military thinking (which is funny considering he likes to quote from Sun Tzu's the art of war alot).Dartan wrote:That my problem with SDN. While I do think the Empire would beat the snot out of the Fed in a long term war, Wong typically assumes that the Fed is either incompetent or unable to adapt.
Part of the adaptability of Trek is the technobabble theory which he rejects. He rejects it because it's too easy to pull out all kinds of funky treknology as a get out of jail free card (I blame Voyager for that), I would partially agree with him on that point but you can't simply dismiss the practice out of hand, its one of Starfleets main strengths as well as a probable weakness (just like the Empires overconfidence can also be a minor strength in giving Imperial personel a high level of moral).
Neither side is very good in a military sense, I think that he assumes the Empire to be better militarily strictly because they have a larger variety of weapons.
Häh...???GStone wrote: If you were gonna create a 'dead man's switch', the best you should hope to get is a series of generators hooked into field projectors to either entirely block or minimize the damage caused by a warp core breach in engineering. There would also be collector spots to draw in the energy and convert it/expel it from the ship. Once the damage is over, the fields come down and the ship runs off these generators till the warp core is back on line.
I had an old lawn mower with a dead man switch that was a handle you kept held back to another handle, as you pushed it along. I could still breath when I let it go.
Sun Tzu can be used in the battle field, in politics, business. As was said, he probably reads it in the narrow field of engineering. How can you beat a previous design? The idea of adding a dead man's switch to a starship is the ultimate fight -- how would you build something to beat yourself and while convincing yourself that it is actually a good idea to get in one of those ships that has one?
I've been laughing my ass of here, i saw this a couple of pages back already and found myself greatly interested, yet nobody seems to pay any interest to it at all. I'll check it later on, right now i haven't got the time though.Mr. Oragahn wrote:Has anyone proved that those N-1 managed to take down the big dish on the Trade Federation droid control ship?