Sovereign vs 1 Star Destroyer?

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Who would emerge victorious.

Sovereign
21
72%
Star Destroyer
8
28%
 
Total votes: 29

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:21 pm

TOS transcripts are available here.

There is no indication that more antimatter was added, and there was not room anyway in the container that Kirk and Garrovick carried for anything like the yeild seen.
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Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:14 pm

The link is kaput. It goes to TNG scripts. :D

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Post by Mith » Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:25 am

Mr. Oragahn wrote:My point is that since it was so easy to cram that much AM into such a small volume, and get a yield which would be worth several petatons, obtaining teraton level torpedoes should be child's play.

OK, I think we need some solid info about that TOS episode, and also consider the visuals from the remastered version if you don't mind.

I got this:
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"Obsession" - Kirk finally lures the cloud-creature back to its home planet,
Tycho IV. To lure it, they bait it to the surface with human blood, then set
a charge of one-ounce of TOS uber-antimatter... the resulting explosion
tears the atmosphere of the planet off.
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Is there any transcript?

Besides, the fact that Lee could power some systems of an old ship for a limited time doesn't mean much.
We've seen that modified probe transport a Klingon chick at warp 9 or more for quite some time, and when you see the yields of torpedoes which are purposely built to blow up AM in the enemy's face, and when you look at the available volume, there's no way warp, even at level 9 or slightly above, can require tremendous amounts of power.
There's also a huge difference between a 700,000 metric ton starship that uses about a hundred megatons per second and a torpedo casing with a woman inside.

In any case, I don't see where you're going with that.

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Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:49 am

Mith wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote:My point is that since it was so easy to cram that much AM into such a small volume, and get a yield which would be worth several petatons, obtaining teraton level torpedoes should be child's play.

OK, I think we need some solid info about that TOS episode, and also consider the visuals from the remastered version if you don't mind.

I got this:
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"Obsession" - Kirk finally lures the cloud-creature back to its home planet,
Tycho IV. To lure it, they bait it to the surface with human blood, then set
a charge of one-ounce of TOS uber-antimatter... the resulting explosion
tears the atmosphere of the planet off.
-------

Is there any transcript?

Besides, the fact that Lee could power some systems of an old ship for a limited time doesn't mean much.
We've seen that modified probe transport a Klingon chick at warp 9 or more for quite some time, and when you see the yields of torpedoes which are purposely built to blow up AM in the enemy's face, and when you look at the available volume, there's no way warp, even at level 9 or slightly above, can require tremendous amounts of power.
There's also a huge difference between a 700,000 metric ton starship that uses about a hundred megatons per second and a torpedo casing with a woman inside.

In any case, I don't see where you're going with that.
Well, likely, a larger volume will require more energy for warp, but where I'm going with that is that this probe was mostly empty, and yet it didn't forbid the warp 9 capacity.
Is there a scale of power consumption regarding warp and volumes or masses?

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Post by Mith » Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:07 am

Mr. Oragahn wrote:
Mith wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote:My point is that since it was so easy to cram that much AM into such a small volume, and get a yield which would be worth several petatons, obtaining teraton level torpedoes should be child's play.

OK, I think we need some solid info about that TOS episode, and also consider the visuals from the remastered version if you don't mind.

I got this:
-------
"Obsession" - Kirk finally lures the cloud-creature back to its home planet,
Tycho IV. To lure it, they bait it to the surface with human blood, then set
a charge of one-ounce of TOS uber-antimatter... the resulting explosion
tears the atmosphere of the planet off.
-------

Is there any transcript?

Besides, the fact that Lee could power some systems of an old ship for a limited time doesn't mean much.
We've seen that modified probe transport a Klingon chick at warp 9 or more for quite some time, and when you see the yields of torpedoes which are purposely built to blow up AM in the enemy's face, and when you look at the available volume, there's no way warp, even at level 9 or slightly above, can require tremendous amounts of power.
There's also a huge difference between a 700,000 metric ton starship that uses about a hundred megatons per second and a torpedo casing with a woman inside.

In any case, I don't see where you're going with that.
Well, likely, a larger volume will require more energy for warp, but where I'm going with that is that this probe was mostly empty, and yet it didn't forbid the warp 9 capacity.
Is there a scale of power consumption regarding warp and volumes or masses?
Not with the current idea of 100 MT = 1 second of warp.

Furthermore, the problem also exists that we don't know how far away the starbase was, and if they could fit enough antimatter into a bowling ball with the power to blow off half the atmosphere of a planet, a hundred years later, they should be able to launch a torpedo and have it maintain warp 9 long enough to reach its destination without the antimatter taking up too much space. A bit stretched, but the whole thing with that issue is pushing ANY form of realistic or practical travel to begin with.

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:16 am

Mr. Oragahn wrote:The link is kaput. It goes to TNG scripts. :D

It looks like when they loaded the latest of the TNG episode transcripts, it somehow had an effect on the TOS transcripts. Hopefully it'll be cleared up soon.
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