Malevolence Hyperspace Speed and Limitations

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Post by Jedi Master Spock » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:24 pm

This would fall within the range I expect from hyperspace travel (100,000-1,000,000 c).

Using onscreen time for actual elapsed time tends to run into problems, though.

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Re: Malevolence Hyperspace Speed and Limitations

Post by 2046 » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:50 am

Mith wrote:Just finished watching Shadow of Malevolence, where it was stated that it would take the Malevolence...a stated to be fast warship by General Grevious...three minutes and fifty-one seconds to travel one parsec or 3.26163626 lightyears.

Impressive speed. At that rate, it would take them to make the trip from Bajor to Romulas in less than five hours. It's slightly above fifty times faster than Warp 8 and about twelve times faster than Warp 9.

Strangely enough, the ship seemed to be unable to cross through a nebula; forcing them to take the long way around. I guess nebulas mess up hyperspace or something.

What do you guys think?
There is no time stated for any distance in that entire episode. The reported quote is incorrect.

Specifically, during the scene when the Malevolence navicomputer reports that they only have one parsec to go, no time is stated.

Any suggestion of 3:51 is probably based on simple episode timing, by which standard a Star Trek ship warping from place to place between scenes is equally fast . . . plot speed.

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:11 pm

It's pretty much been understood that that the timing is based on the episode's progression, rather than a stated time. I re-timed based on the seconds just before the droid tells Grievous that the navcomputer has calculated less than one parsec left to go. I get a slightly longer timing in total of 3:56 as compared to Mith's 3:51. That won't make too much of a difference. But with several jump cuts to various different scenes, it could be several more minutes, or even hours.

But just using what we see in the episode, about 435,000 to 445,000c would by considered "fast" by SW standards, and is possibly an overestimate given the uncertainties involved.
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Post by Mike DiCenso » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:29 pm

Praeothmin wrote:As far as Warp speeds go, this is something I had mentioned to JMS some time ago:
Last time I watched ST: Gen , when the Ent-B detected the Lak'ul in the ribbon.
The ship was about to be torn apart, and it was 3 light-years away from the Ent-B.

Let's be very conservative here, and say it took the Ent-B 30 minutes before it reached the ribbon (longer then the onscreen time).

3 LY = 28 382 400 000 000 km.
Divide that by (60s x 30m), it equals 15 768 000 000 times lightspeed.
15 billion times lightspeed.

I'd say that's very fast...

Actually wouldn't it be 365 days x 3 light years = 1,095 light days. Now multiply 1,095 light days x 24 hours = 26,280 light hours, and then by 60 = 1.576,800 light minutes. Now divide that by your hypothetical transit time of 30 minutes = 52,560. So our final result is an E-B warp speed of 52, 560c, not 15 billion c.
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Post by Praeothmin » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:31 pm

Mike D wrote:Actually wouldn't it be 365 days x 3 light years = 1,095 light days. Now multiply 1,095 light days x 24 hours = 26,280 light hours, and then by 60 = 1.576,800 light minutes. Now divide that by your hypothetical transit time of 30 minutes = 52,560. So our final result is an E-B warp speed of 52, 560c, not 15 billion c.
Wow...
What the heck was I smoking???? :)
Re-did the calcs and got the same result you did Mike... O_O!

what I did this time (I thought I had done them the same way before), is I calculated how many km were travelled by light in 3 years:
28 382 400 000 000 km.
Then divided by the number of km travelled by light in 30 minutes:
540 000 000 km.
Gave me 52 560c, just as Mike's calcs...

Man, I was out of it but good... :)

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