Favorite Star Wars fighters

Praeothmin · Post by **Praeothmin** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:09 pm

Well, look at it this way:
The defiant is the equivalent in firepower of those old WWII bombers (plus modern missiles and bombs), but with the maneuverability of modern F-18A Hornets.

It's even more of a Fighter craft then any other crafts... :)

Cocytus · Post by **Cocytus** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:10 pm

I'd like to see a contest between some of the fighters mentioned and a few Trek shuttlecraft. Vessels like the aforementioned Delta Flyer, or Data's Insurrection scout ship, or a Danube class.

Socar · Post by **Socar** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:27 pm

I would have to say the Tie Interceptor and the A-wing are my favorites.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:01 am

TheRedFear wrote:The Defiant doesn't really count as a fighter. It's a full on Warship. Maybe you could classify it as a frigate, based on size alone. Though it's firepower is easily capital-ship worthy

Closest thing to a Trek Fighter would be shuttles, in which case the Delta Flyer is as good as it gets. Borg-enhanced shields and weapons for the win.

Not really, don't forget that there are also the so-called "Peregrine" fighters seen in several episodes of DS9. Most notably "Sacrifice of Angels" and "What You Leave Behind". They seem to be "heavy" fightercraft, but are much smaller (15 meters) than the Defiant class starships (125 meters), have demonstrated decent maneuverbility, and have enough raw firepower to damage Galor class warships.
-Mike

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:51 am

A Death Star can destroy planets.

An X-Wing blew the Death Star into pieces.

I know which one I'm going with.

Praeothmin · Post by **Praeothmin** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:49 pm

Narsil wrote:A Death Star can destroy planets.

An X-Wing blew the Death Star into pieces.

And Yoda can TK an X-Wing.
Ergo, Yoda is more powerful then the Death Star... :)

TheRedFear · Post by **TheRedFear** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:46 am

Narsil wrote:A Death Star can destroy planets.

An X-Wing blew the Death Star into pieces.

I know which one I'm going with.

An X'Wing didn't blow up the deathstar. A Force-guided Proton Missile blew up the deathstar. lol It could just as easily have been fired from a Y-Wing or a B-Wing.

I'm not sure if A-Wings can carry Protons, but I THINK they can.

Enterprise E · Post by **Enterprise E** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:07 pm

The A-Wings carry concussion missiles which, depending on the source, are less powerful but have better armor penetration capability (I think this comes from the original ICS), or are simply less powerful but more maneuverable and mainly designed to take down starfighters rather than damage capital ships (from the X-Wing/TIE Figher games).

SailorSaturn13 · Post by **SailorSaturn13** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:18 am

Defiant is apparently a destroyer, not a fighter

CrippledVulture · Post by **CrippledVulture** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:10 pm

I've noticed that Starfleet ships tend to resist the old naval classifications. They seem to be far more interested in building ships that can do all kinds of things. Case in point, during the Dominion War, the Galaxies were the backbone of the Federation fleets. In old naval terms, they'd be the Dreadnoughts and Battleships, the ones with big guns made to take down the other side's big guns. Fleets are built around these ships because they require lots of support and escort craft. But we have an entire series that proves the Galaxy doesn't need much of an escort. Starfleet ships are multi-taskers, they have the big, advanced Galaxies to do most of the fighting, fighters, and old junkers to absorb fire.

I've heard the Defiant referred to as an escort. I'm sure it would be great at that, but we've only seen it escort anything a few times. If we're going to use naval terminology, the Defiant is more of a submarine than anything else. At least so long as it comes with a cloaking device.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:17 pm

CrippledVulture wrote: I've heard the Defiant referred to as an escort. I'm sure it would be great at that, but we've only seen it escort anything a few times. If we're going to use naval terminology, the Defiant is more of a submarine than anything else. At least so long as it comes with a cloaking device.

I would say that in any assessment of the Defiant class starships, you have to leave out cloaking devices since only the prototype of the class the U.S.S. Defiant herself ever had one such device, and then only because of a very unusual exception to the Treaty of Algeron between the Federation and the Romulan Star Empire.

After the loss of the original Defiant, the replacement and all others have not been seen to be equipped with cloaking technology, and thus the submarine analogy does not hold, but for the one exception to the rule.
-Mike

Cpl Kendall · Post by **Cpl Kendall** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:06 am

CrippledVulture wrote: I've heard the Defiant referred to as an escort. I'm sure it would be great at that, but we've only seen it escort anything a few times. If we're going to use naval terminology, the Defiant is more of a submarine than anything else. At least so long as it comes with a cloaking device.

It was called an escort for political reasons, as certain parties in the Federation don't want to build warships. In fact a destroyer is an escort. Escort is a category that includes: corvette, frigate and destroyer.

So the Defiant is both an escort and a destroyer, given it's firepower and the fact that it's capable of independent action.

That's if you want to fit it into a modern context. As the gentleman above me pointed out, only the original Defiant had a cloak, so the sub classification doesn't really fit for the class.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:19 am

It's an odd thing that "certain parties" in the Federation would try to insist that Federation Starfleet starships are not warships, when they clearly fullfill that role in just about every way, the various science labs and luxuries on board not withstanding.
-Mike

Mr. Oragahn · Post by **Mr. Oragahn** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:46 am

Mike DiCenso wrote:It's an odd thing that "certain parties" in the Federation would try to insist that Federation Starfleet starships are not warships, when they clearly fullfill that role in just about every way, the various science labs and luxuries on board not withstanding.
-Mike

Or maybe current classifications simply don't fit.

A Defiant is a warship. Most of the Federation ships are just jacks of all trades, roughly.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:23 am

The Defiant is a dedicated warship to be sure. But even the Defiant has been made to carry out science and other non-combat exploration-type missions on a fairly regular basis. In effect, the Defiant has been made to be a "jack of all trades" as you put, just like any other Federation starship, dispite the fact that she was intentionally built as a warship.

Conversely, the Constitution class, Galaxy class, and most certainly the Sovereign class starships have a significant portion of their design and capability devoted to being heavy-duty combat vessels that can take on one-to-one the best the of the so-called dedicated warships of rival powers.
-Mike