Shatner Reveals Some New Trek Details

[Dragoon]

I enjoyed TOS, TNG and VOY. Enterprise looked good as well. I'm a Trek fan and I'll continue being a Trek fan. The only things that I really don't like in recent years is Nemesis. Blech.

It might not be your cup of tea, but there are plenty of people out there who did enjoy the later series, despite your "Argh, everythign after TOS sucked" bend.

Voyager got me into Star Trek. It started my love of the series. It was a good series, although it got wierd in the last season or two. I liked it, I watched it and I'll keep doing that. Everyone has their own tastes.

[AnonymousRedShirtEnsign]

I liked the first three live action series (TOS, TNG, & DS9), Voyager was hit or miss, and Enterprise focused on the wrong things thus dooming it. True science fiction is a commentary on real life and social issues, it is relevant. Voyager and Enterprise just sort of were. I'm not sure what the points that most of the episodes were supposed to be making were, and there probably wasn't one.

[GStone]

You've just described 90% of television.

It's one reason a lot of TV sucks.

And Native cliche man, Paris, Kim, Riker, Worf, Kira, the list goes on and on.

Sisko and Odo still top the list with Kirk.

Oh yes the man made of wood.

Archer rocked during season 3 and 4. He was all right in 1 and 2.

Frankly I'm not inclined to take you at your word as you have admitted that you haven't seen TOS in years.

It isn't required of me. Besides, you don't need me. It was the guiding principle of Roddenberry. Humanity put all their pettiness aside and focused heavily on science and culture, but were still hippies. Adventuring hippies, but still hippies.

TNG is well known to be full of communist BS

The only part of it that's "communist" is free medical care, housing and food, but show me where it must be as the "state" says and you couldn't design things yourself and build it. Tell me how that kind of provisions and freedom makes the society communist. If you want communist, look at USSR when it was still around.

while TOS, which by the way I am watching on DVD right now and am halfway through season 1 is much more capitalistic.

They still give free medical care, use the precursor to the replicator to help with making food. As if those people wouldn't have taken a replicator, if they got one from the future. And check it. There are still hippies to this day in the US that partake in capitalistic methods. You don't need to be communistic to be a hippie.

Your confusing TOS and TNG again. TOS message was "we're flawed but we're trying"

Reread what was Roddenberry's overriding idea of humanity. He's been deridded for decades because of it. They made mistakes, but were perfect for the most part. They were the pinnical of morality, while everyone else needed to measure up and often failed to do so. The only ones that really had a thing on humanity in perfection were the god like aliens.

were as Picard frequently boasted that humanity was ready for anything the universe could throw at them.

Hubris is not hippi-ism. Hubris can exist in capitalistic and communistic societies. Kirk even said everyone is human and he meant other species, too.

Of course there was, the lousy writing of the later series (Voyager especially) bears a large amount of the blame and Roddenberry himself virtually steered TNG into the ground in seasons 1-2 with his BS.

Aside from a few spots, season 1/2 of TNG were a TOS rip-off.

But by and large B&B bear the largest part of the cross for helming the ship and when your in charge the fault lies with you for not shaking things up when you can.

As if the actors themselves are totally free of blame. There was worse acting and stilted performances that were worse than the deliberate performance of Spiner before Data got his emotion chip. He was supposed to be bland. Lots of people deserve the blame.

Now the fans have largely abandoned Trek.

1. Trek tried to be too big for too many people. Anything that does will fail. It's even happened with Wars.
2. Lots of people on many levels took many chances: the writers, B&B, the actors, the directors, etc. Until we have holoprograms, we can't lay every damn thing on those at the very top. They weren't the only ones involved.
3. In fact, during the height of the franchise, which was around mid TNG, Roddenberry wasn't in charge. Berman was, Roddenberry's personally chosen successor.

You've got to be kidding, Voyager is widely condemned as the worst Trek series to ever grace the screen.

Not by me. I'm even one of the few that liked and still like Threshold.

Even Enterprise was better than that crap.

It was around equal with DS9 and TNG for me.

I watched most of it and I'm convinced the headcase of a Captain was bipolar.

The way they finally got to presenting Archer in the last couple years was great.

[Jedi Master Spock]

I have a real sense of foreboding about this.

The last time they let Kirk help write the script for a Star Trek movie, the result was Star Trek V, which - to put it mildly - does not review well. Or watch well.

[Mr. Oragahn]

You mean the name that is also shared with a Braga produced, post-Trek TV series? ;-)
-Mike

Since I have the luxury of not having the singlest freaking idea of what you're talking about, may you forgive me...

Is it Threshold?

As for the rest, I did wish the next Trek spin-off or whatever would deal with academic groups of younger people.
There'd be cast 1 and cast 2, sometimes they'd mix for a given ep, sometimes a story would only focus on member A and C from cast 1, etc.

[Socar]

I have a real sense of foreboding about this.

The last time they let Kirk help write the script for a Star Trek movie, the result was Star Trek V, which - to put it mildly - does not review well. Or watch well.

Wait, where specifically did they say that Shatner was actually going to help write the script?

[Jedi Master Spock]

I have a real sense of foreboding about this.

The last time they let Kirk help write the script for a Star Trek movie, the result was Star Trek V, which - to put it mildly - does not review well. Or watch well.

Wait, where specifically did they say that Shatner was actually going to help write the script?

Whoops and whew. I scanned over the original post too quickly.

[Socar]

You were starting to scare me there. Seriously, don't do that to me. ;)

[GStone]

You mean the name that is also shared with a Braga produced, post-Trek TV series? ;-)
-Mike

Since I have the luxury of not having the singlest freaking idea of what you're talking about, may you forgive me...

Is it Threshold?

As for the rest, I did wish the next Trek spin-off or whatever would deal with academic groups of younger people.
There'd be cast 1 and cast 2, sometimes they'd mix for a given ep, sometimes a story would only focus on member A and C from cast 1, etc.

Yep.

[Gandalf]

I have a real sense of foreboding about this.

The last time they let Kirk help write the script for a Star Trek movie, the result was Star Trek V, which - to put it mildly - does not review well. Or watch well.

Frankly I'm more worried about how they intend to get dead Kirk on screen with live Kirk. Without some sort of BS time travel plot. Hopefully it'll just be flashbacks.

[Mr. Oragahn]

I have a real sense of foreboding about this.

The last time they let Kirk help write the script for a Star Trek movie, the result was Star Trek V, which - to put it mildly - does not review well. Or watch well.

Frankly I'm more worried about how they intend to get dead Kirk on screen with live Kirk. Without some sort of BS time travel plot. Hopefully it'll just be flashbacks.

1. Time paradox related plot.
2. Kirk is a clone of Kirk.
3. Dumb genetic bad luck. Old Kirk's real name is Jefferson F. Ramius, and just happens to have a very close genome to the true young Kirk's one.
4. JT Kirk is talking about the good ol' times, and the whole thing is just a damn flashback.

[Gandalf]

And given Trek's history with time travel I'm worried that it'll be another time travel crap plot rather than something original.

[AnonymousRedShirtEnsign]

I really hope they go for something like Saving Private Ryan or Flags of Our Fathers with flash backs, maybe when he is on his way to the Enterprise-B.

[Praeothmin]

May be it's because I really like lost, and really liked MI III, but knowing J Abrahams is the one making the movie, I have the feeling it will be really good...

Probably the best one in many years...

And I think the reason he stated that he wished that the people who saw the movie hadn't seen much ST has to do with the preconceptions people might have of the coming movie... :)
He probably just hopes that the ones who go see the movie simply approach it as they wood any kind of new product, with an open mind and a will to be entertained...

[AnonymousRedShirtEnsign]

I hope it's really good. Though it doesn't have to be inorder to be the best Trek or Wars film in the last decade, 0 for 5 isn't exactly a good resent record.