Star Wars Cloaking Devices

[Mike DiCenso]

IIRC, based on the episode commentary Filoni shared that Lucas said he wanted the ship to be "small", and there was some discussion of giving it a pencil shape.

(So it just so happens that they seem to have made it long enough to work out nicely volumetrically.)

Maybe that's what's so technologically special about this ship is that it's the first SW craft of this size volume, if not length-wise to be able to cloak. And since it's a prototype, when it's destroyed, that capability will be lost with it, much like the way Chang's fire-while-cloaked BoP was a one of a kind that when destroyed was never repeated in capability for more than a century.
-Mike

[Praeothmin]

IIRC, based on the episode commentary Filoni shared that Lucas said he wanted the ship to be "small", and there was some discussion of giving it a pencil shape.

(So it just so happens that they seem to have made it long enough to work out nicely volumetrically.)

Maybe that's what's so technologically special about this ship is that it's the first SW craft of this size volume, if not length-wise to be able to cloak. And since it's a prototype, when it's destroyed, that capability will be lost with it, much like the way Chang's fire-while-cloaked BoP was a one of a kind that when destroyed was never repeated in capability for more than a century.
-Mike

I've always felt that the "Fire-while-Cloaked" capacity was not lost, per say, but was considered "unsafe" after Starfleet devised an easy, ready to implement detection device: a homing Photorp...
Since the ship had no shields, it was now a sitting-duck...

So they had to improve their cloaks, which could have meant more power needed for the cloak, and less for the weapons, or if weapons are capable of firing, then the cloak improvements cannot work, etc, etc, etc...

Because that kind of tech did come back with the Scimitar, which was also now fully shielded...

[Mith]

IIRC, based on the episode commentary Filoni shared that Lucas said he wanted the ship to be "small", and there was some discussion of giving it a pencil shape.

(So it just so happens that they seem to have made it long enough to work out nicely volumetrically.)

Maybe that's what's so technologically special about this ship is that it's the first SW craft of this size volume, if not length-wise to be able to cloak. And since it's a prototype, when it's destroyed, that capability will be lost with it, much like the way Chang's fire-while-cloaked BoP was a one of a kind that when destroyed was never repeated in capability for more than a century.
-Mike

It was stated in the episode that the ships that the enemy commander was used to fighting were much larger, hence why he was always able to easily lock onto them. Anakin also stated that a ship of that size having a cloaking device was unusual.

That said, the commentary made me laugh. Reading between the lines here, you really must wonder what that man goes through with Lucas. I've seen it numerous times now where he's mentioned that Lucas has made some 'creative imput' that generally takes a shit on EU--and in this case, continuity of G Canon. Fortunately, they made it work and I like the idea that they're trying to stick to continuity, but meh.

[2046]

Pardon the necro, but I thought it worth adding (since this thread has been referenced elsewhere recently) that the talented modeler Warb Null has created a Republic stealth ship far superior to my own primitive effort.

(He was also the source of the Republic light cruiser model which, at the time, no one else had yet attempted, and may still not've. So worship him accordingly.)

I have downloaded it but have yet to do anything with it. If I remember my methodology correctly, it will require conversion to a SketchUp-acceptable format, extensive cleaning-out of unnecessary interior faces (as most such models do), and possibly a little gap-filling on the exterior to prevent any "leaks", at which point volume measurement can commence.

So, I wouldn't look for results from it to be available until sometime next year, at my current rate of progress.

[Mr. Oragahn]

So, I wouldn't look for results from it to be available until sometime next year, at my current rate of progress.

2012? :p

[User1462]

So, I wouldn't look for results from it to be available until sometime next year, at my current rate of progress.

2012? :p

My calendar still reads 2010, Dr. Who.

[User1462]

IIRC, based on the episode commentary Filoni shared that Lucas said he wanted the ship to be "small", and there was some discussion of giving it a pencil shape.

(So it just so happens that they seem to have made it long enough to work out nicely volumetrically.)

Maybe that's what's so technologically special about this ship is that it's the first SW craft of this size volume, if not length-wise to be able to cloak. And since it's a prototype, when it's destroyed, that capability will be lost with it, much like the way Chang's fire-while-cloaked BoP was a one of a kind that when destroyed was never repeated in capability for more than a century.
-Mike

The phase-cloak puts that to shame, as does the dimension-shift transport device.

[Praeothmin]

The phase-cloak puts that to shame, as does the dimension-shift transport device.

Both technologies no longer possessed or used by the Federation...

[Who is like God arbour]

The phase-cloak puts that to shame, as does the dimension-shift transport device.

Both technologies no longer possessed or used by the Federation...

Both technologies are not used by the Federation as far as we could see.

For a further going claim, there is no evidence.

[The Dude]

Dimension shift transporter? Is that the one that was extremely dangerous used by the rebels that captured Crusher or something else?

[Praeothmin]

Dimension shift transporter? Is that the one that was extremely dangerous used by the rebels that captured Crusher or something else?

Yes, that's the one.
You know, the one Picard was hesitant to use even once because of all the problems associated with its use.
You know, the type of Transporter we've never, ever seen the Federation use again...
Yeah, that one...

[Praeothmin]

The phase-cloak puts that to shame, as does the dimension-shift transport device.

Both technologies no longer possessed or used by the Federation...

Both technologies are not used by the Federation as far as we could see.

For a further going claim, there is no evidence.

I don't care, because it doesn't matter.
I agree, the Federation can still have access to the technology, but they've never, ever used it since they got it, even when it would have been useful...

[User1462]

I agree, the Federation can still have access to the technology, but they've never, ever used it since they got it, even when it would have been useful...

Because it was ILLEGAL, hello?
There are lots of weapons that aren't used today: "dirty" bombs, gas and germ-warfare etc. It's not because they are beyond our military capability, it's because they're illegal.

Dimension shift transporter? Is that the one that was extremely dangerous used by the rebels that captured Crusher or something else?

Yes, that's the one.
You know, the one Picard was hesitant to use even once because of all the problems associated with its use.
You know, the type of Transporter we've never, ever seen the Federation use again...
Yeah, that one...

So you're making yourself grand poobah of canon, and saying that if it's only used once then it's not canon?
Sorry, it don't work that way; if it's on film, it's canon, like it or not.

[Praeothmin]

Because it was ILLEGAL, hello?
There are lots of weapons that aren't used today: "dirty" bombs, gas and germ-warfare etc. It's not because they are beyond our military capability, it's because they're illegal.

And again, the bad analogy dance starts.
When have we faced the kind of wars the Federation has faced?
The kind where, if you lose, you no longer exist?
Why do we not use Nuclear weapons on our current enemies?
Because if we did, we'd be turing our home in a nuclear wasteland, and we'd be destroying humanity.
That is why we made Nuclear weapons illegal after WWII, because it had the potential to annihilate mankind.

And, when Section 31 felt humanity was getting kicked hard in the butt, they concocted this nice little virus against the founders...
Why not just use a Genesis torpedo on Dominion planets?
What do they care about laws?
And where was it stated the Subspace Transporter is illegal?
I've never heard about that.
So if it's not illegal, then why is it not in wide use if it is so good, if the Federation has mastered it?
It would have been useful many times in the movies and series, yet was never again used...

So you're making yourself grand poobah of canon, and saying that if it's only used once then it's not canon?
Sorry, it don't work that way; if it's on film, it's canon, like it or not.

No, unlike what you're doing with SW, I haven't said anywhere it's not Canon, what I've said is the Federation will not use the Technology for any reason at all, so giving it to them to use as they see fit in a vs scenario, even when they never did in movies of series when useful, is dishonest...

[Who is like God arbour]

Were they really that desperate in the Dominion War?

I mean, I have heard only of one lost planet - Betazed. How much room has the Dominion made? Was it really already forseeable that the Federation will loose that war?

That's the important question here.

I think that it was indeed a hard war. But the Federation has not lost much room and that, although the Dominion could have won, it was never imminent enough for desperate measures.

Furthermore, had the Federation used such weapons, the Dominion would have used them too. Not using them was beneficial for both parties.

But is that the case if an extra-galactic invader is using a Death Star?