Could an ISD really stand up against Trek suoerweapons?

[Praeothmin]

Asteroids of a few meters would just burn up in our own atmosphere so why would we even bother?

The asteroids in TESB have been scaled to between 10 and 20 meters wide, so they might not all burn up in the atmosphere.
And whether they did or not, the ISDs in the movie were firing at them, period.

More importantly why would an ISD that is miles long and kilometers wide be even concerned

An ISD is 1 mile long, no more, and about 0.6 mile wide.
And since an asteroid about half the size of the command tower destroyed it in TESB, then they should care.

And the asteroid that inspired NASA on his defense project is Apophis, an asteroid 350 meters wide, much bigger then any of the asteroids seen in TESB...

[Airlocke_Jedi_Knight]

I would like to point out that the SD we see firing upon the asteroids in the the 17 kilometer long Executor, but the 1600 meter long, standard, ISD. Meaning that these "large" asteroids that you propose the Executor to be vaporizing are not as large as you believe them to be. *silently berates self for being counter productive to own cause*

[Airlocke_Jedi_Knight]

Asteroids of a few meters would just burn up in our own atmosphere so why would we even bother?

The asteroids in TESB have been scaled to between 10 and 20 meters wide, so they might not all burn up in the atmosphere.
And whether they did or not, the ISDs in the movie were firing at them, period.

More importantly why would an ISD that is miles long and kilometers wide be even concerned

An ISD is 1 mile long, no more, and about 0.6 mile wide.
And since an asteroid about half the size of the command tower destroyed it in TESB, then they should care.

And the asteroid that inspired NASA on his defense project is Apophis, an asteroid 350 meters wide, much bigger then any of the asteroids seen in TESB...

Well, much bigger than any that were seen being destroyed in ESB. The one the Falcon landed on to make repairs had to have been much larger than 350 meters. The Falcon is 22-30 meters long and was much less that ten times smaller than said asteroid.

[Praeothmin]

The one the Falcon landed on to make repairs had to have been much larger than 350 meters.

Surely, but we haven't seen any asteroids of this size destroyed in TESB though...

[PunkMaister]

Asteroids of a few meters would just burn up in our own atmosphere so why would we even bother?

The asteroids in TESB have been scaled to between 10 and 20 meters wide, so they might not all burn up in the atmosphere.
And whether they did or not, the ISDs in the movie were firing at them, period.

More importantly why would an ISD that is miles long and kilometers wide be even concerned

An ISD is 1 mile long, no more, and about 0.6 mile wide.
And since an asteroid about half the size of the command tower destroyed it in TESB, then they should care.

And the asteroid that inspired NASA on his defense project is Apophis, an asteroid 350 meters wide, much bigger then any of the asteroids seen in TESB...

Well, much bigger than any that were seen being destroyed in ESB. The one the Falcon landed on to make repairs had to have been much larger than 350 meters. The Falcon is 22-30 meters long and was much less that ten times smaller than said asteroid.

Agreed the asteroid they landed on could have almost been a small moon orbiting a planet such as Phobos and Deimos orbiting mars. It was that big or bigger than those 2 martian moons combined.

[Mike DiCenso]

Asteroids of a few meters would just burn up in our own atmosphere so why would we even bother? More importantly why would an ISD that is miles long and kilometers wide be even concerned with what relatively speaking are small pebbles by comparison, when the captain told Vader he was reluctant to enter the asteroid field his concern was obviously for the big ones and not the small meters wide asteroids you allege.

Asteroids of a few meters can, under the right circumstances, survive entry into Earth's atmosphere, especially asteroids of a couple tens of meters (the Barringer Crater meteor is estimated at up 55 meters), but that is a bit of a red herring on your part since the capability to vaporize them with our current nuclear weapons is well within the realm of possibility. As for the concern, an asteroid of no larger than 70 meters was sufficient to destroy the bridge tower of an ISD as analyzed here and here on Robert Anderson's site.

As for the asteroids destroyed by the one ISD with it's light and medium TL batteries, they are somewhere between 1-14 meters wide on their long axis depending on how you scale them with the TL bolt widths. The erroneous 20-100 meter claims are based on the incorrect assumption of flak bursts being vaporized asteroids in the later Avenger-Falcon chase scenes, when nothing of the sort is true.
-Mike

[Mr. Oragahn]

Okay, I think it's becoming rather clear why you got banned from SDN.
What about dropping the lecturing tone and presenting some we call... evidence?

Not to say that I'm afraid anything you'll provide has 99.9% chances of being already old, especially since you rarely do the job on your own.

Nothing that says he has to read through the entire board to find out what other members here might know. It'd be nice to provide links to prior discussion if you refer to it, of course. Such as to this thread. It's difficult to find a good discussion of the TESB asteroid destruction shots if you don't know where to look.

IMO, it's not wholly unreasonable to look at the asteroid scene and conclude that ISDs have megaton range firepower. I do so on the main website, in fact. But it is worth talking about why the TLC figures are questionable.

There are four angles of attack on the TLC figures. The first is the problem of identifying what are actual asteroids and what are apparently flak bursts. The second is the scaling of the asteroids seen. The third is the assumption of complete vaporization. Fourth is attacking the assumption of solid nickel-iron composition.

What didn't fly is the pedantic tone, the utter lack of sources to back up his claim, and the gross error on the abilities of our current day nuclear arsenal.
Not to say that he's a member of, at the very least, both SDN and SBC where he's been active and noticed in the versus forums, plus some other Stargate sites and his own Stargate versus Star Wars board (plus Resident Evil), so I kindly expect him to know some basics and defend his positions.

[Dabat]

Okay, I think it's becoming rather clear why you got banned from SDN.
What about dropping the lecturing tone and presenting some we call... evidence?

Not to say that I'm afraid anything you'll provide has 99.9% chances of being already old, especially since you rarely do the job on your own.

Nothing that says he has to read through the entire board to find out what other members here might know. It'd be nice to provide links to prior discussion if you refer to it, of course. Such as to this thread. It's difficult to find a good discussion of the TESB asteroid destruction shots if you don't know where to look.

IMO, it's not wholly unreasonable to look at the asteroid scene and conclude that ISDs have megaton range firepower. I do so on the main website, in fact. But it is worth talking about why the TLC figures are questionable.

There are four angles of attack on the TLC figures. The first is the problem of identifying what are actual asteroids and what are apparently flak bursts. The second is the scaling of the asteroids seen. The third is the assumption of complete vaporization. Fourth is attacking the assumption of solid nickel-iron composition.

What didn't fly is the pedantic tone, the utter lack of sources to back up his claim, and the gross error on the abilities of our current day nuclear arsenal.
Not to say that he's a member of, at the very least, both SDN and SBC where he's been active and noticed in the versus forums, plus some other Stargate sites and his own Stargate versus Star Wars board (plus Resident Evil), so I kindly expect him to know some basics and defend his positions.

Alright, I know I am showing my lack of knowledge on the VS. Debate, but what is SBC? StarDestroyer.Net I know but SBC is new to me.

[l33telboi]

Alright, I know I am showing my lack of knowledge on the VS. Debate, but what is SBC? StarDestroyer.Net I know but SBC is new to me.

Spacebattles.com? The most active board when it comes to versus debating? You've missed it somehow?

[Dabat]

Alright, I know I am showing my lack of knowledge on the VS. Debate, but what is SBC? StarDestroyer.Net I know but SBC is new to me.

Spacebattles.com? The most active board when it comes to versus debating? You've missed it somehow?

Ok, so when I say yes, how would that make you feel?

Thanks by the way.

[l33telboi]

Ok, so when I say yes, how would that make you feel?

Thanks by the way.

Horny? Wait no, that's not it.

In any case, join and post in my latest thread.

[Airlocke_Jedi_Knight]

I had never heard of it either. This is my first versus site. I was referred here by MoJo.

[Mike DiCenso]

The asteroids in TESB have been scaled to between 10 and 20 meters wide, so they might not all burn up in the atmosphere.
And whether they did or not, the ISDs in the movie were firing at them, period.
An ISD is 1 mile long, no more, and about 0.6 mile wide.
And since an asteroid about half the size of the command tower destroyed it in TESB, then they should care.

And the asteroid that inspired NASA on his defense project is Apophis, an asteroid 350 meters wide, much bigger then any of the asteroids seen in TESB...

Well, much bigger than any that were seen being destroyed in ESB. The one the Falcon landed on to make repairs had to have been much larger than 350 meters. The Falcon is 22-30 meters long and was much less that ten times smaller than said asteroid.

Agreed the asteroid they landed on could have almost been a small moon orbiting a planet such as Phobos and Deimos orbiting mars. It was that big or bigger than those 2 martian moons combined.

Or a large asteroidal body, like Ceres or Vesta travelling in it's own independent solar orbit. Either way, it was a large enough or dense enough body that it was pulled by it's own gravity into a spherical shape. And no, most certainly that body, nor any even remotely as large as it were ever seen in the movie, much less mentioned in the novelization as being destroyed.
-Mike

[Jasonb]

It depends on what you mean by super weapon. USS Enterprise D navigational deflector dish could be seen by it self super weapon and danger weapon at that. Right now trying find out powerful it realy is.USS Enterprise D navigational deflector dish might will have the able to destory most of the Empire starships in a few secounds it even. I mean every one of them other the Death Star.