Eras of the "Great Debate"

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Eras of the "Great Debate"

Post by Khas » Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:58 pm

So, seeing how long the Trek-vs-Wars debate lasted until The Last Jedi put the final nails in the coffin, I've decided to look back on it, and how the overall culture surrounding it evolved. And so far, I've noticed that there were seven distinct eras, so to speak. They are:

The Early Days (1995 to 1997)
The Golden Age (1997 to 2002)
The Dark Times (2002 to 2006)
The Time of Questioning (2006 to 2010)
The Beginning of the End (2010 to 2014)
The Final Chapters (2014 to 2018)
The Aftermath (2018 to Today)

Does this list seem accurate to you guys?

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Re: Eras of the "Great Debate"

Post by Mike DiCenso » Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:05 pm

The Early Days of the USENET debates was the Golden Age, because things were more balanced. Mike Wong's influence wasn't there yet, and the hordes of Warsie cultists hadn't found their way to the debates yet. 1997-1998 was when things started to take a turn for the worse, with Wong actively driving good people like Graham Kennedy from the debates with early cancel culture and doxxing, and by 2002 with Stardestroyer.Net and the cult in full force, the Dark Times had openly arrived.

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Re: Eras of the "Great Debate"

Post by 2046 » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:19 pm

The era markings seem too clean with their four year chunks. Some may relate to events (e.g. we can tie 2014 to the Disney sale), but I'd be curious about delineations and more thorough blurb definitions.

You can also take things back a ways further. I've seen USENet posts on the stuff as far back as 1985, per my own little historical research here:

http://st-v-sw.net/STSWintro.html

You could thus have 1985 to 199x as the prehistoric era of random debates spread around, growing in frequency and vigor. Somewhere in there some of the oldest arguments form, with the formation of ASVS in 1997 on as when things really kick off in earnest, perhaps.

Me, personally, I don't feel the topic is over, per se. Oh, the fact that both properties are wrecked now, fundamentally unanalyzable mish-mashes of self-contradiction certainly doesn't help . . . but the original universes remain. There's still a ton I'd love to dig in to, given the time, and there remains a currentness to it ... I've even seen EU Completists running amok just recently, like Japanese soldiers in the 1950s thinking World War II is still a thing.

That said, the simple fact is that while details and holdouts remain, the final victor has been known for a long time. In that sense, a historian's approach is not a bad idea.

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Re: Eras of the "Great Debate"

Post by Picard578 » Sun Dec 04, 2022 5:53 pm

I don't think we will be seeing any more major Star Trek vs Star Wars debate, beyond normal VS debates on forums. I mean, firstly, the prequels and then the Clone Wars had basically put in the nail into the coffin of Star Wars biggatons. And then both IPs got ruined by Marxist SJWs pushing their agenda, meaning that there is nothing in new Star Trek / Star Wars that would draw in the fresh blood, so to speak, much less people passionate enough to debate comparisons.

Fandoms won't die completely, old movies and series are still there, but they will enter the era of hibernation.

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Re: Eras of the "Great Debate"

Post by Khas » Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:20 pm

Eh, given what I've seen and heard, they're both at least trying to un-fuck themselves from the SJW shit. I'd say Star Trek is having better luck with that, with Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds, at least.

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