ST:Picard: Late 24th Century Starfleet Size

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ST:Picard: Late 24th Century Starfleet Size

Post by Mike DiCenso » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:10 pm

According to the Star Trek:Picard episode "Remembrance", the rescue armada that was destroyed in the Synth attack on Mars was "ten thousand warp-capable ferries". We see in a flashback the Ptolemy-class tug-like craft:

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These are fairly decent sized ships. Just going off general features, like the bridge domes,etc, their saucer sections are roughly about the same size as a Constitution-class or Miranda-class starship's saucer section. So without the cargo modules, roughly about 250-300 meters in length. With the modules, they can certainly be easily double that.

This puts into perspective that the entire Starfleet of the late 2250s was some 7,000 vessels of unknown composition after more than a year of a devastating war, it seems that the late 24th century Starfleet may be in the tens of thousands of vessels with everything from support vessels like these to big capital vessels like the Sovereign and Galaxy-class.

This also gives us a pretty interesting perspective on what the real losses of the Dominion War was for the Federation and its allies as well as the previous fighting with the Borg and the skirmishing with the Klingons just prior.
-Mike

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Re: ST:Picard: Late 24th Century Starfleet Size

Post by Sothis » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:50 pm

Greetings Mike, I hope you're keeping well in the midst of all this craziness. I've taken to drawing some... questionable artwork (I post it on Trek BBS, and on Stardestroyer.net, just to torment people, but it won't let me post it here for some reason), in order to stay sane!

The induction of DSC and PIC into the Star Trek canon has certainly provided a lot more depth to fleet strength. It seems like the Feds have the capability, if not always the will, to build a large fleet (then again, in peace time, why would they need to?).

One of the things I'd been keen to know is the composition of the fleet. The Feds were still building Excelsiors circa the end of VOY, no doubt with up-to-date tech, but if we get a good look at the fleet now, I'd like to think they've finally phased out Mirandas and Excelsiors. If I were in charge, I'd be looking at plenty of Sabres, Steamrunners and Akiras - modern designs, more capable in a fight than their predecessors, and supported by the small-but-tough Defiant class. I'd reserve Galaxies and Sovereigns for flag vessels, allowing me to build up a larger fleet of smaller yet sophisticated vessels, that nonetheless still pack a punch.

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Re: ST:Picard: Late 24th Century Starfleet Size

Post by Mike DiCenso » Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:46 pm

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Sothis wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:50 pm
Greetings Mike, I hope you're keeping well in the midst of all this craziness. I've taken to drawing some... questionable artwork (I post it on Trek BBS, and on Stardestroyer.net, just to torment people, but it won't let me post it here for some reason), in order to stay sane!
Surprisingly, I've not been too affected (or infected) by what's going on beyond just dealing with annoying shortages and shop closures.
The induction of DSC and PIC into the Star Trek canon has certainly provided a lot more depth to fleet strength. It seems like the Feds have the capability, if not always the will, to build a large fleet (then again, in peace time, why would they need to?).
A lot has changed over the decades Star Trek has been on the air with ever larger budgets and the ability to portray onscreen capabilities only imagined by the original TOS FX people. We saw as early as late DS9 very large fleets of hundreds or thousands strong and now we can see even more, though time pressure to meet deadlines still results in shortcuts, like having DISC-era ships still around in the late 24th century.
One of the things I'd been keen to know is the composition of the fleet. The Feds were still building Excelsiors circa the end of VOY, no doubt with up-to-date tech, but if we get a good look at the fleet now, I'd like to think they've finally phased out Mirandas and Excelsiors. If I were in charge, I'd be looking at plenty of Sabres, Steamrunners and Akiras - modern designs, more capable in a fight than their predecessors, and supported by the small-but-tough Defiant class. I'd reserve Galaxies and Sovereigns for flag vessels, allowing me to build up a larger fleet of smaller yet sophisticated vessels, that nonetheless still pack a punch.
As per Picard's "Rememberance", we still see older vessels being used in the fleet or at least two were there at the Utopia Planitia shipyards during the attack and we have no idea how old the evacuation transport design is supposed to be.
-Mike

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